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Old 31st May 2019, 07:44
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What has the EU ever done for us?
Divided the country?
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Old 31st May 2019, 07:48
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Given ORAC's propensity for posting opinion polls I am surprised at the absence of today's YouGov Times one. Maybe this is the reason : LD 24, Brexit 22, Tory 19, Labour 19.

Possibly the ongoing arguments about Corbyn's attempted victimisation of Alistair Campbell and the publicity surrounding this is part of the reason for Labour's troubles. The dippy old grandad seems to have poked a tiger here.
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Old 31st May 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
ORAC,

Re Andrew Neil and Airbus.

I'm sure that he DOES want to stay in the UK....
But with the current crop of rabid Brexiteers competing for the Tory Party leadership all trying to out hard Brexit each other and play up an exit on WTO rules, just imagine what that would mean to Airbus! They would have to pay tariffs on components crossing in and out of the UK as well as finished products tarfiff on wings, so would be paying that tariff possibly multiple times per wing. THAT would cost a fortune and would not be sustainable..
I have seen comment in our (non English language) local press to that effect - basically the incoming CEO is not giving an unconditional guarantee that Airbus will stay "in" the UK regardless of the consequences to the overall business.
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:01
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Meanwhile things get, well, in some cases very difficult to believe...

Most of the Conservative leadership candidates – Boris Johnson, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid, Michael Gove, Matthew Hancock, Andrea Leadsom, Rory Stewart and James Cleverly – have all declared that they are feminists, after Dominic Raab said he was “probably not” one.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lves-feminists
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:05
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I suppose it depends on your definition of Feminist. That's the best that I can say in defence of Raab and the Scatty Scouser.
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:07
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That's true..I can't imagine the use of the "F" word will have gone down well in some parts of the shires this morning;...
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:16
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Originally Posted by occasional View Post
I would be careful about that hard-of-thinking phrase. Anyone who equates cash going out to grants or subsidies coming in, needs to learn something about the grants systems.
I once met a gentleman employed by the British government, whose job was to persuade people not to apply for certain grants because overall the cost of the grant applications was going to exceed the value of the grants.
There is also a sense of loss of control with EU deciding where it goes. While TM assured the farmers that they will continue to receive similar subsidies that also limits the Government's flexibility in dispersing our rebate.
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:37
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Who is the Scatty Scouser???
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:46
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There is also a sense of loss of control with EU deciding where it goes. While TM assured the farmers that they will continue to receive similar subsidies that also limits the Government's flexibility in dispersing our rebate.
Don't recall Treeza making such an assurance, however, one of her minions and aspirants for her job certainly did.........unfortunately, the minion in question is Gove and note the bit about only until 2022, when, had things gone to plan, the next GE would be taking place. Note also the bit about "being reviewed ", always a give away as to the intention to cut finances ........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42559845


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Old 31st May 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Who is the Scatty Scouser???
Calm down! Calm down! It's the fragrant Esther.
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Old 31st May 2019, 08:54
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Ah, thanks. As a once denizen of the fragrant Huyton I was passingly curious. Cheers.
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:34
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A woolyback then according to my Cronton in laws.
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by DON T View Post
I hope our 16 year olds taking their GCSEs are reading this because we older folks are proving you can do anything with figures, if it suits your case,��
There's even a book they could read - it's be around for quite a while now.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Lie-Statistics-Penguin-Business/dp/0140136290/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=52760288843&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItPTzw67F4gIVBrTtCh13XgA2EAAYASAAEgIaofD_BwE&hvadid=259148601752&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1006598&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8946000244578853226&hvtargid=kwd-315596115054&hydadcr=11467_1788048&keywords=how+to+lie+with+statistics&qid=1559291781&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spell https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Lie-Statistics-Penguin-Business/dp/0140136290/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=52760288843&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItPTzw67F4gIVBrTtCh13XgA2EAAYASAAEgIaofD_BwE&hvadid=259148601752&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1006598&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8946000244578853226&hvtargid=kwd-315596115054&hydadcr=11467_1788048&keywords=how+to+lie+with+statistics&qid=1559291781&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spell
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Old 31st May 2019, 09:53
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Other way round I think you'll find went to school in Prescot and came face to face with Rugby League favouring outback types from far-afield Eccleston. Remember being impressed by the diversity of human evolution.
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Old 31st May 2019, 18:43
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Does the Queen have any real political power or is she just a spectator too? Could she order a parliamentary election? Just curious.
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Old 31st May 2019, 18:51
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Does the Queen have any real political power or is she just a spectator too? Could she order a parliamentary election? Just curious.
There are historical prerogatives available to the Queen, but the unwritten rule (UK being a constitutional monarchy) is that 'could or couldn't, she won't!

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Old 31st May 2019, 19:33
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Since Parliament, as a consequence of its total rejection of the referendum and its own previous promises on that vote, has completely destroyed any claim that Britain might have had to having a constitution of any sorts at all, you might just as well unconstitutionalise the monarchy, restore the divine right of kings and let the old girl rip.
She could start the festivities off by sending Louis XX a card board cut off of the head of Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry's would do for the Henri d'Orleans, cardboard, preferably soggy corrugated cardboard.
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Old 31st May 2019, 21:03
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All this fuss and palaver about politicians, parliament and monarchy. Hard Brexit, soft Brexit, no Brexit, running around headless chicken and bleeting all the way up to Supreme Court waving all manner of please and petitions. Never ever ending arguments and debates. None of that would happen if we went down the road of some other so called the uncivilised bunch, and had ourselves a military junta. Better still get some monks to bring back the Spanish Inquisition. Too much freedom is much like too much wine. Where there is no authority, there is no order. It has become abundantly clear there is no authority left here in the UK. No second referendum and no general election can alter that. Some commentators have touched on this. They have said we have a constitutional crisis on our hands. They have hit the nail on the head. The only thing wrong with that is that we don`t really have a constitution as such. What we have is neither arsehole nor watercress, and that`s truly where our troubles lie. We just go on patching and making things up as we go along, the old fashioned way, just like Mamma used to make and continue to prance about oblivious to the dramatic changes around us.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 06:23
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Hello Finland. Probably, I think yes but it would cause such ructions she won't so no. Hope that makes sense.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 07:04
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It's a perfectly reasonable question.....albeit one that is easily answered.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...idates-cartoon

And the definitive analysis of the contest and contestants....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eadership-race

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