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Old 29th May 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
You're going to have a court case to illustrate to the world the fact that either the vast mass of the population is so grammatically inept that it can't correctly interpret a single sentence or that it is so gullible that, having misinterpreted it, it believes its own misinterpretation.
You (and others) seem to misunderstand the case. It's nothing to do with the red bus and its carefully constructed slogan.

It's about a person in public office making false claims intended to deceive the public who paid his salary.

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Old 29th May 2019, 21:32
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It's about a person in public office making false claims intended to deceive the public who paid his salary.

That presupposes a certain nobility of motive which is very far removed from the real one of Ball and those who support him. One can only marvel at the hypocrisy, worthy of the Lib Dems at the least, while at the same time wondering why a retrospective action has not been brought against Blair for taking Britain into a war. Could it be perhaps because Blair is a remainer? It certainly can't be because it isn't true.
I hear that Marcus Ball pays himself a salary from his crowd funding and that he has been known to redact statements to suit moments of time in the future. Of course, Ball is not a person in public office but might he not be a person whose salary is paid by the public?
I expect some squirming will ensue when Ball realises that his name is oxymoronic to the cause in question.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:39
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Has it been proven the claim is false?
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:46
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
It's about a person in public office making false claims intended to deceive the public who paid his salary.

That presupposes a certain nobility of motive which is very far removed from the real one of Ball and those who support him. One can only marvel at the hypocrisy, worthy of the Lib Dems at the least, while at the same time wondering why a retrospective action has not been brought against Blair for taking Britain into a war. Could it be perhaps because Blair is a remainer? It certainly can't be because it isn't true.
I hear that Marcus Ball pays himself a salary from his crowd funding and that he has been known to redact statements to suit moments of time in the future. Of course, Ball is not a person in public office but might he not be a person whose salary is paid by the public?
I expect some squirming will ensue when Ball realises that his name is oxymoronic to the cause in question.
So you have replaced your objection, because your original story that

You're going to have a court case to illustrate to the world the fact that either the vast mass of the population is so grammatically inept that it can't correctly interpret a single sentence or that it is so gullible that, having misinterpreted it, it believes its own misinterpretation.
was wrong.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:53
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You have to be illiterate or stupid to think that this really says:
'We send the EU £350 million a week, let's use that all that money on the NHS instead.'
As for the amounts involved, the EU's own Court of Auditors has refused to sign off the accounts for the last twenty years, so with that level of corruption on the go, what on earth does it matter if there is more than one interpretation of gross.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post


You have to be illiterate or stupid to think that this really says:
'We send the EU £350 million a week, let's use that all that money on the NHS instead.'
As for the amounts involved, the EU's own Court of Auditors has refused to sign off the accounts for the last twenty years, so with that level of corruption on the go, what on earth does it matter if there is more than one interpretation of gross.
Now you repeat your previous false claim.

The trial of Boris Johnson is nothing to do with the bus. It is about his personal statements in public office.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:58
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Has it been proven the claim is false?
Isn't that the purpose of the court case?

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Old 29th May 2019, 21:58
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Has it been proven the claim is false?
It is commonly reported that the UK pays £19 billion to the EU each year. £350 million a week comes to £18.2 billion, so the figure printed on the bus is possibly an under estimate.

So £350 million is the gross outgoing figure. No mention is made of rebates or payments made to the UK by the EU in support of EU sponsored and funded projects.

Boris Johnson was at no point inaccurate, but neither did he give a full accountnof how the figures were arrived at. So the amounts are actually immaterial. The case will revolve around whether certain statements were made, by a person holding high public office, in an attempt to deliberately mislead the public.

In that vein, a lot of MPs should be quaking in their boots over promises to deliver Brexit.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:59
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Dear me, Sally Ann, no.
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Old 29th May 2019, 22:44
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As for the amounts involved, the EU's own Court of Auditors has refused to sign off the accounts for the last twenty years
Lies don't become true just because you keep repeating them.
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Old 29th May 2019, 23:38
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False claims?...like “ WMD’s deployable in 45mins”, “prudent financial policy” while fire-hosing our money away. Or, even more laughable: “this action is not politically motivated”.
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Old 30th May 2019, 04:49
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Nope, it's not Brexit although it does involve JR-M. ...author of his own downfall you might say. Albeit ID-S is a clear winner here.

Be interesting to see how Dave does as we know, plus, should she ever write one, which may not be a wise move on her part, Treeza's illustrious career in print

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hers-take-note
A dilemma for Nige though. Despite his protestations, Nige has always had a strong affinity for the more extreme right wing elements, albeit those who manage a façade of respectability. Hence this proposed "meeting of minds ". but, as the article says, Nige also wants to be completely in charge......we can only hope this doesn't have a happy ending therefore......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-parliament

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Old 30th May 2019, 05:41
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Gertrude the Wombat.....

I saw that written on the side of a bus. One made in 2007 because before then they were all very bendy instead of being totally bent.
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Old 30th May 2019, 06:49
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Michel Barnier’ deputy, Sabine Weyand, was yesterday appointed head of the EU Commission’s Directorate General for Trade — meaning she will lead on all post-Brexit trade talks with Britain......
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nior-trade-job

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8934601.html

Brexit: EU breaks up team that negotiated May’s deal in clear sign it will never reopen talks
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Old 30th May 2019, 06:54
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It is commonly reported that the UK pays £19 billion to the EU each year. £350 million a week comes to £18.2 billion, so the figure printed on the bus is possibly an under estimate.
It is commonly said that the MMR vaccination is dangerous, it is commonly said that man made climate change isn't real - many things are commonly said, but just because they are oft repeated in some circles doesn't make them correct. This is the politics of populism, the sort of stuff that Hitler peddled in the 1930s - totally dishonest but appealing to a populist narrative.

I don't necessarily believe that prosecuting Boris Johnson is sensible, and likely won't be successful, but these kinds of lies and twisting of facts by people in high office has to stop, if our democracy is not to fall apart.
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Old 30th May 2019, 07:12
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post


You have to be illiterate or stupid to think that this really says:
'We send the EU £350 million a week, let's use that all that money on the NHS instead.'
As for the amounts involved, the EU's own Court of Auditors has refused to sign off the accounts for the last twenty years, so with that level of corruption on the go, what on earth does it matter if there is more than one interpretation of gross.
hmmm. .

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Old 30th May 2019, 07:12
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Sabine Weyand, was yesterday appointed head of the EU Commission’s Directorate General for Trade — meaning she will lead on all post-Brexit trade talks with Britain......
By all accounts a very smart operator...I wonder who UK plc is planning on sending to Brussels to sit across the table from her post-Brexit..presumably somebody like Liam Fox, Raab, or Greyling...no problem there then.

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I don't necessarily believe that prosecuting Boris Johnson is sensible, and likely won't be successful, but these kinds of lies and twisting of facts by people in high office has to stop, if our democracy is not to fall apart.
Very much agree, but according to some of the usual suspects and usual sources it seems forcing somebody in pubic office into court to defend something they have said is in itself a grave breech of democracy. It appears there some who think that if a politician isn't allowed to be free and easy with the facts the nation will become ungovernable.
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Old 30th May 2019, 07:17
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Just watching an interview on BBC Breakfast with Tory leadership / PM candidate Esther McVeigh; the woman is an absolute fantasist!! If I had a vote, which I don't, given a run off between her and Boris Johnson I'm afraid I'd have to vote for Johnson!!

She really is that bad.
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Old 30th May 2019, 07:56
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She pointed out that long-standing Labour voters have deserted Corbyn in droves. Her main argument was for “blue collar” Tory policies which would attract them. Why is that fantasy?
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Old 30th May 2019, 08:13
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I would not be presumptuous enough to offer an opinion on stupid. As for illiterate I would only say this: Look at the leaver responses online to Brexit issues. The late lamented Tescoapp, he of the tick tock leading up to March 29 was an excellent example. A good 12 million of those 17.4, despite their protested Englishness didn't know the difference between there and their. Ms McVey most likely falls into that camp.
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