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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:21
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Nobody is going to suffer an injury lifting that particular tome off the shelf.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
Oh Dear, what Time Warp did you fall out of??? Putin may be many things but a Marxist is not one of them.
That's not really surprising, if you look back at CCs posts he/she seems to manage to squeeze a reference to Marxism into probably 50% of them.....


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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
However much one might criticise May, and you won't find me at the back of the queue, the fact is that whoever was in that position would still be trapped between the two irreconcilable wings of the Tory party.
Taking over from Cameron was what I believe is called a hospital pass.
Sallyanne, I am not convinced that would be the case, it is May’s approach to Brexit that has got the Westminster lot in the state they are in now, a different approach from the beginning might have had a different outcome, however, I do accept that whoever takes over from May will not be able to change the parlous state that Westminster is now in.

I reckon the only way to break them out of the deadlock that they have caused themselves, is by one of two drastic measures:

1. Revoke Article 50.
2. Leave by default.

I would hazard a guess that the outcry if option 2 was taken would be the greatest.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:33
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Nobody is going to suffer an injury lifting that particular tome off the shelf.
It would be interesting to know how many copies have been ordered for the first print run.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
We talk of decapitation; what would happen should the Cabinet, baring one or two, resign? A leader without any followers . . .
To quote

In 2015, during his tumultuous tenure as Speaker of the House, Ohio congressman John Boehner left us with this thought on leadership: ,

"A leader without followers is simply a man (or woman) taking a walk." .
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:22
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Theresa May shelves plans to publish Brexit Withdrawal bill following Cabinet mutiny


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...iny/ar-AABNimO
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:23
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Well the weather is fine today, so should be a good turnout at the polling stations. I don't care who you vote for, just so long as you all get out there and vote! This may be your last chance to have any influence on how Brexit pans out. Don't say you weren't warned or you didn't know what you are voting for...
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Old 23rd May 2019, 12:43
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This is what I find really annoying. It is perfectly clear that this bill in this incarnation will not pass. Instead of accepting that and getting out of the way, May is again kicking the doomed can down the road. Are the politicians spending that time working out the best way forward? No they are taking a holiday from the 23rd of May until the 4th of June. I think it was Tusk who said "don't waste this time" when the previous extension was granted, but that is all that the Government has done so far. She really has to go, and immediately.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 13:31
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Looks like she isn’t going anywhere and they’re going to have to go in and drag her out kicking and screaming. Now doing a reshuffle as if she can just carry on as if nothing happened yesterday.....

Downing Street has just announced

Mel Stride, the Treasury minister, will become leader of the Commons.

Jesse Norman, the transport minister, will replace Stride as financial secretary to the Treasury and paymaster general.

Michael Ellis, a culture minister, replaces Norman as transport minister.

And Rebecca Pow joins the government, replacing Ellis as culture minister.

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Old 23rd May 2019, 13:53
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Looks like she isn’t going anywhere and they’re going to have to go in and drag her out kicking and screaming. Now doing a reshuffle as if she can just carry on as if nothing happened yesterday.....

Downing Street has just announced

Mel Stride, the Treasury minister, will become leader of the Commons.

Jesse Norman, the transport minister, will replace Stride as financial secretary to the Treasury and paymaster general.

Michael Ellis, a culture minister, replaces Norman as transport minister.

And Rebecca Pow joins the government, replacing Ellis as culture minister.

Any self-respecting cabinet minister would grow a pair and resign a la Leadsom and bring an end to this miserable administration.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 13:56
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Here is a realistic assessment of how we got ourselves into this mess over Brexit and what may or may not be possible to cope with the problems:-

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Old 23rd May 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Looks like she isn’t going anywhere and they’re going to have to go in and drag her out kicking and screaming. Now doing a reshuffle as if she can just carry on as if nothing happened yesterday.....

Downing Street has just announced

Mel Stride, the Treasury minister, will become leader of the Commons.

Jesse Norman, the transport minister, will replace Stride as financial secretary to the Treasury and paymaster general.

Michael Ellis, a culture minister, replaces Norman as transport minister.

And Rebecca Pow joins the government, replacing Ellis as culture minister.

I wonder if any of these will bother to take over their new offices? Their civil servants won't be expecting them to be staying very long.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 15:56
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The Beeb were reporting a large plume of black smoke could be seen over London earlier. Being charitable, presumably this excludes a pyre, or, it could be the way the Tory party announces it has a new leader......apparently not.

Anyway, apart from Boris, there are other contenders and here's Dominic, now presumably aware of where Dover is, doing his Boris protégé impression. ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...election-video
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Old 23rd May 2019, 16:01
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No doubt those 17 contenders will all be fighting for the job just as soon as Theresa throws in the towel.

Or as the old saying goes:

"Cast ne'er a clout till May be out."
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Old 23rd May 2019, 16:55
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When TM was Home Secretary she gained a reputation for being stubborn and bloody difficult. I hadn't realised that this attitude was driven by gross stupidity until she became PM.

There was me thinking that the voters in the USA back in 2016 had a tough choice, between two equally appalling candidates. Little did I realise that we'd find ourselves in an even bigger mess.

Frankly I'm struggling to see any possible new PM out of any of them, from any party.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 21:24
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Please not Gove, he comes over as a slimy creepy character..

Still when TM leaves we might finally get some clarity, hopefully a genuine Brexiteer that will go back to the EU and actually negotiate a treaty and not simply roll over as TM did.

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Old 23rd May 2019, 22:06
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Well the weather is fine today, so should be a good turnout at the polling stations.
Didn't feel that high at the polling stations I was at - struggling to reach one voter per minute for most of the day is about normal for local elections. Still, we'll know very shortly.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 23:41
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It was quiet at the primary school we have voted at for years, well it was only to be expected as when I looked at the card I found they had moved locations lol, the new venue had a steady stream of voters this evening.
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Old 24th May 2019, 02:08
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I voted about 1700 and for the first time I had to queue up. A quick glance at the poll clerk's sheet saw more names underlined than was the case when voting at a similar time in the recent local elections but still under 50% of the names.
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Old 24th May 2019, 04:33
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It's a shame neither Peter O'Sullevan or Michael O'Hehir are no longer available to comment on this race but even if they were the turgidity and quality of the participants would stretch even their legendary commentating styles.............

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ce-theresa-may

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ering-eu-anger

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