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Old 21st May 2019, 19:06
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I am a leaver. Just now I watched Mrs May's latest speech. Whilst I thought its content was 'more of the same' and would probably change nothing, what finally struck me was that there was no passion in her delivery: as ever, eyes constantly (almost) head down, referring to her written words. I accept that all Pollies read from their script, but those that have a belief in their words do so with more 'guts'. She delivers like a repetitive disc.
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Old 21st May 2019, 20:38
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Well to be honest she is a lame duck that has lost it's quack, and her legacy will reflect that she was one of the worst PM's this country has ever had, she took on the role accepting it was always going to be a hard task to satisfy everyone and has ended up in farce and humiliation whilst destroying her party and satisfying no one.

Why she doesn't simply go is beyond me, her plans have come to nought and no amount of force feeding the same proverbial cr*p to parliament is ever going to get anywhere.
Talking to Corbyn was a disaster and simply played into his hands, he was never wanting to make anything work, his agenda has been to help the Conservative party along the road of self destruction whilst furthering his own agenda of self promotion and seeking power...... All to the detriment of this Country, the sad part is he does not secretly want to remain as his plans cannot ever come to fruition whilst the UK remains Part of the EU.

Oh yes and I too voted leave and have been let down by the current occupants at Westminster, so as a life long conservative voter I say, roll on Nigel.

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Old 21st May 2019, 20:56
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Does anyone know of a good hypnotist that will treat all of us from the prolonged nausea the very word 'Brexit' has been causing?
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Old 21st May 2019, 21:08
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48359132

Brexit: Has PM's 'new deal' made things worse?


Laura KuenssbergPolitical editor@bbclaurak

Did the prime minister just make it worse? It hardly seems that would have been possible.

.......”
But the diplomatic way of describing the situation tonight? Compromising when no one else is interested in consensus is impossible.

The more brutal political interpretation - Theresa May's mishandling of this whole situation has, over many, many months, pulled her deeper and deeper down into a quagmire of her own creation.

An attempt at this stage to ask others for understanding to help her escape is just too late - far, far too late. Now some Conservative minds are turning to whether she can stay on to have this vote at all........”
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Old 21st May 2019, 21:16
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Lesson 101..... How not to conduct an interview on TV

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wal...g-tv-interview



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Old 21st May 2019, 21:54
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I really find it very surprising that some dreadful, misogynistic old guard Labour supporter hasn't voiced the opinion that, after Margaret Thatcher and Teresa May, British political leadership politics had better run all male shortlists for the foreseeable future. As an alternative to female leadership aspirations, now that Labour has embraced its Marxist leadership, the rank and some of the file should be agitating that women have an important part to play in stoking up the Bessemer Converters at Scunthorpe.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 05:17
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This latest effort from the PM amounts to nothing more than an open invitation to those on the leave side of the argument to vote for the Brexit party. Old Nige could not have issued a better rallying cry than the one that was gift wrapped and delivered to him by TM.

I like to thing I'm a reasonable chap and although not jumping up and down in joy over the negotiated deal I was happy to accept it as a starting point for further talks when outside the EU. Not any more. Over the cliff edge.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 05:56
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Speaking of Nige, he's been , for Nige, decidedly reticent to answer a few questions recently. For such a fervent supporter of democracy, well ok, Nige's version which may well bear not even the remotest similarity to everybody else's understanding apart from those voting for him, refusing to talk to C4 News isn't what you would expect when transparency is closely aligned to democracy ......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nquiry-cartoon
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:00
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From POLITICO, depressing......

About to go viral: If you want an idea of what under-fire Tory MPs are now having to contend with, watch this long and bleak BBC Wales footage of Tory MP David T.C. Davies — an ardent Brexiteer — being berated as a “snowflake” by a mindless pro-Brexit campaigner on College Green. To his credit, he handles it very well. But this might just be the most depressing thing you’ll watch today.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:08
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Last poll before the election.

Brexit 37%, LibDem 19%, Labour 13%, Green 12%, Conservative 7%, Change UK, 4%, UKIP 3%, Others 2%, Plaid Cymru 1%.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:13
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
I really find it very surprising that some dreadful, misogynistic old guard Labour supporter hasn't voiced the opinion that, after Margaret Thatcher and Teresa May, British political leadership politics had better run all male shortlists for the foreseeable future.
...And yet here we are, out of the blue, without provocation, you express your opinions about an idea that has not been suggested by either side of the political divide here;

Is the idea of all male shortlists something that interests you?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:14
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Again from POLITICO.....

The agonies of Theresa May and the wider Tory party mean the leadership contest takes a back seat today, bar an interesting story in the Mail by Jack Doyle. He reports ex-Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson has found the best possible way to take revenge on Theresa May — by working to get Boris Johnson into No. 10.

“Mr Williamson is not yet making a public endorsement,” Doyle writes, “but sources said he was playing an active role in bringing MPs into the Boris camp. Allies of Mr Johnson hope the recruitment of the former chief whip — who is well known for his organizational skills and network of supportive MPs — could yet prove a critical factor in the leadership race.”
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:32
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48351281

British ex-pats living in France whinging because they haven't had their postal vote for the EU elections, where evidently they wanted to vote in a UK region in which they aren't resident.

My, perhaps incorrect understanding of the electorate for the EU Parliament election includes EU residents, but not citizens of each member state. If that be the case, why aren't British citizens living in France, or anywhere else in the EU voting in their local constituency. I really don't see what business it is of their's voting for European representatives in a constituency in which they do not live, they should be voting in the region / constituency where they live.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:44
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The attitude today amongst Conservative MPs.....

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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:47
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"Mr Williamson is not yet making a public endorsement,” Doyle writes, “but sources said he was playing an active role in bringing MPs into the Boris camp. Allies of Mr Johnson hope the recruitment of the former chief whip — who is well known for his organizational skills and network of supportive MPs — could yet prove a critical factor in the leadership race.”"

Wonder why any reference to his diplomatic and communication skills seems to be strangely absent from this glowing testimonial ......




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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:57
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When we lived and worked in Spain there were many ex-pat retirees living in the community. A lot of them were keeping under the radar. Paying no local taxes, living in long term rentals with all bills paid by the owner on their behalf. Presenting themselves at local clinics/hospitals when ill posing as tourists clutching their EHIC card. Patronising UK owned bars and shops and claiming proudly that they don't have to speak the language. Guess who screamed the loudest when the UK voted leave? It wasn't the ones that had done things properly, obtained a NIE number, registered their residency, contributed to the community and enjoyed all the benefits of such when they needed to.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:06
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
When we lived and worked in Spain there were many ex-pat retirees living in the community. A lot of them were keeping under the radar. Paying no local taxes, living in long term rentals with all bills paid by the owner on their behalf. Presenting themselves at local clinics/hospitals when ill posing as tourists clutching their EHIC card. Patronising UK owned bars and shops and claiming proudly that they don't have to speak the language. Guess who screamed the loudest when the UK voted leave? It wasn't the ones that had done things properly, obtained a NIE number, registered their residency, contributed to the community and enjoyed all the benefits of such when they needed to.
That is both shocking, and totally unacceptable behaviour by expats.

Imagine for a moment if there were Poles, Romanian, Slovaks etc doing just that in UK. Can you imagine the outcry from the usual suspects in the print media, not mention the (quite justifiable) indignation of many member of the British public? Hypocrisy doesn't even do it justice!
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
.... Last poll before the election.

Brexit 37%, LibDem 19%, Labour 13%, Green 12%, Conservative 7%, Change UK, 4%, UKIP 3%, Others 2%, Plaid Cymru 1%. ....



No surprises there I think. It's become quite clear that the EU MEP elections in the UK are simply a re-run of the 2016 referendum but with a better informed electorate. The UK electorate simply see this as a one issue vote in which case you can vote for:

1. Conservative - don't know whether they want to leave or not.
2. Labour - won't tell you whether they want to leave or not.
3. Lib Dem - definitely want to remain in the EU.
4. Brexit party - definitely want to leave the EU with no deal.
5. Other parties - wasted vote.


So if you're are a remainer or leaver you're going to vote Lib Dem or Brexit and that's what's it all about. It will be very interesting how the final outcome is spun by leave and remain cohorts.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
Here is a wish. If only the mods would revive our old Brexit thread and let PACE back in.

PACE if you are still with us knock once.
There is a person posting in this thread with remarkably similar rantings,albeit with a different username......
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Old 22nd May 2019, 08:59
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Originally Posted by StAn gelo View Post
There is a person posting in this thread with remarkably similar rantings,albeit with a different username......

... is this person trying to keep us 'honest'?
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