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Yep, it's that old multiple occupancy conundrum again........
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hority-cartoon
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hority-cartoon
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POLITICO:
STOP ME IF YOU’VE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE: British and American political journalists may feel a twinge of deja vu when reading
from 7 News’ political reporter Jennifer Bechwati, who did not see Saturday’s shock election victory for the right-wing Coalition coming at all.
“My mea culpa,” she wrote. “Polls are useless … The majority of Australians don’t back further action on climate change — or major tax reform … Twitter is not representative of the wider Australian view … Always listen to family and friends outside of Canberra” …
Any of this sound familiar at all?
STOP ME IF YOU’VE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE: British and American political journalists may feel a twinge of deja vu when reading
“My mea culpa,” she wrote. “Polls are useless … The majority of Australians don’t back further action on climate change — or major tax reform … Twitter is not representative of the wider Australian view … Always listen to family and friends outside of Canberra” …
Any of this sound familiar at all?
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What exactly would happen if nothing has happened on 31 Oct?
Do all ports stop? Do all aircraft return to take off airfield? Do we have the military and police on both sides preventing commerce?
Essentially we have two trading blocks being interfered with by two political blocks.
If the EU see that we have not signed nothing to implement a no deal nothing changes to nothing happens.
As said above, all about money. As long as we honour our agreements to pay, why should they care?
Do all ports stop? Do all aircraft return to take off airfield? Do we have the military and police on both sides preventing commerce?
Essentially we have two trading blocks being interfered with by two political blocks.
If the EU see that we have not signed nothing to implement a no deal nothing changes to nothing happens.
As said above, all about money. As long as we honour our agreements to pay, why should they care?
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Now Our Nige is milking it...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp
Yummy
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp
Paul Crowther, 32, from Throckley, Newcastle, said it was a £5.25 Five Guys banana and salted caramel milkshake.
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man
It could well happen. Dominic Grieve on Newsnight last week when questioned about Boris becoming PM issued a pretty clear threat that he would support a no confidence motion should he try to push a NoDeal through. Bear in mind that with the three Change defectors their position is already precarious..
Without those two on board, the votes for a VoNC are limited to 286 (Lab + SNP + PC + Gr). Despite the posturing, I doubt if many Conservatives would back a VoNC if a Corbyn government is on the cards. Even if they did a GE needs 60% support.
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We are in uncharted territory now. If as expected the next Tory leader is a NoDeal Leaver then I think that anything could happen. There are politicians out there prepared to sacrifice their careers to prevent such an outcome so, all bets are off.
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man
We are in uncharted territory now. If as expected the next Tory leader is a NoDeal Leaver then I think that anything could happen. There are politicians out there prepared to sacrifice their careers to prevent such an outcome so, all bets are off.
A. Sign off the May/EU deal.
B. Revoke Article 50.
What happens next if the May/EU deal is rejected again and revoking Article 50 is also currently not an accepted/agreed option either, surely that only leaves the option they don’t want and if the EU do not extend again, I know they will as they are happy to continue to receive the UK payments, then the UK will have no legal grounds for not leaving into WTO rules as they will be in default of Article 50, so committing political suicide would not change that outcome.
I also reckon that whoever is in charge will not make any difference to the current status of Brexit within Westminster while the current incumbents are still able to vote in the HoC’s.
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic
Change have said that they won't support a VoNC as have the Lib Dems; in the latter's case until Corbyn comes out unequivocally for a second referendum.
Without those two on board, the votes for a VoNC are limited to 286 (Lab + SNP + PC + Gr). Despite the posturing, I doubt if many Conservatives would back a VoNC if a Corbyn government is on the cards. Even if they did a GE needs 60% support.
Without those two on board, the votes for a VoNC are limited to 286 (Lab + SNP + PC + Gr). Despite the posturing, I doubt if many Conservatives would back a VoNC if a Corbyn government is on the cards. Even if they did a GE needs 60% support.
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man
I think that probably is the plan, and as you say it appears to be working. I intend voting LD for the first time ever on Thursday and I have lifelong Tory voting friends who are doing the same.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
The trap is pretty well set, the Conservative membership will more than likely fall into it. Whether the consequences turn out to be as they hope remains to be seen.
Lord North often is quoted as the "worst" Prime Minister in British political history - he lost us the North American colonies. I nominate Theresa May for that shameful honour; she is bent upon losing us our own nationhood - an infinitely more heinous crime..
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TM is clinging on to No 10 like a limpet.....
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...may-face-fresh
Theresa May to face fresh attempt to oust her despite Brexit truce
Senior Tories will consider a fresh attempt to change party rules in a bid to boot Theresa May out of office more easily, PoliticsHome can reveal.
A meeting of the executive of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers will hear calls for the Prime Minister to face a fresh confidence vote next month.
Mrs May has said that the Withdrawal Agreement Bill - the legislation needed to take the UK out of the EU - must be passed before Parliament's summer recess at the end of July.
The draft legislation will be put to a Commons vote in the first week of June, and Mrs May has agreed to set out when she will stand down if it is defeated. However, some MPs are concerned she could take the extraordinary step of cancelling the summer recess to buy herself more time to get it through.
Under current rules, a Tory leader cannot face a vote of no confidence more than once a year, which means MRs May cannot be challenged again until December. An attempt to reduce that to six months was defeated 9-7 at a meeting of the 1922 Committee executive last month. Now one member of the executive has revealed they will call for another vote on the proposal when they meet again on Wednesday.
The MP said: "The big fear is she might try to cancel the summer recess in order to get Brexit through. The suggestion was mentioned at the last meeting and some people were nodding their heads. That would be catastrophic. We cannot wait another half year if she tries to stay on.".......
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...may-face-fresh
Theresa May to face fresh attempt to oust her despite Brexit truce
Senior Tories will consider a fresh attempt to change party rules in a bid to boot Theresa May out of office more easily, PoliticsHome can reveal.
A meeting of the executive of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers will hear calls for the Prime Minister to face a fresh confidence vote next month.
Mrs May has said that the Withdrawal Agreement Bill - the legislation needed to take the UK out of the EU - must be passed before Parliament's summer recess at the end of July.
The draft legislation will be put to a Commons vote in the first week of June, and Mrs May has agreed to set out when she will stand down if it is defeated. However, some MPs are concerned she could take the extraordinary step of cancelling the summer recess to buy herself more time to get it through.
Under current rules, a Tory leader cannot face a vote of no confidence more than once a year, which means MRs May cannot be challenged again until December. An attempt to reduce that to six months was defeated 9-7 at a meeting of the 1922 Committee executive last month. Now one member of the executive has revealed they will call for another vote on the proposal when they meet again on Wednesday.
The MP said: "The big fear is she might try to cancel the summer recess in order to get Brexit through. The suggestion was mentioned at the last meeting and some people were nodding their heads. That would be catastrophic. We cannot wait another half year if she tries to stay on.".......
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https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1765...in-south-east/
Brexit party surges ahead of rivals in south east
NIGEL Farage’s Brexit Party has almost double the support of its nearest rival in the South East, a new poll shows.
The group has 37 per cent of the vote share compared with the Lib Dems’ 21 per cent. This is higher than the national support for the Brexit Party which sits at 34 per cent.
The Conservatives and Labour are languishing on 11 and 10 per cent respectively......... Other parties in the South East are the Greens with 11 per cent of the vote, the newly formed Change UK with 5 per cent and Farage’s former party Ukip with 3 per cent.
Anti-Brexit campaign group Best For Britain commissioned the study of voters alongside Hope Not Hate. A total of 9,260 voters were surveyed, including 1,308 from the South East.
Brexit party surges ahead of rivals in south east
NIGEL Farage’s Brexit Party has almost double the support of its nearest rival in the South East, a new poll shows.
The group has 37 per cent of the vote share compared with the Lib Dems’ 21 per cent. This is higher than the national support for the Brexit Party which sits at 34 per cent.
The Conservatives and Labour are languishing on 11 and 10 per cent respectively......... Other parties in the South East are the Greens with 11 per cent of the vote, the newly formed Change UK with 5 per cent and Farage’s former party Ukip with 3 per cent.
Anti-Brexit campaign group Best For Britain commissioned the study of voters alongside Hope Not Hate. A total of 9,260 voters were surveyed, including 1,308 from the South East.
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Given the money that Farage is throwing at the Brexit Party campaign (from wherever, and however it is being garnered in) it is hardly surprising that those disgruntled Brexit voters would be gravitating towards his pressure group (whatever he says it's only a political party for electoral rules reasons). I've had two communications from the Brexit party, both well designed and well printed, and not done a shoe string, a flyer from Labour which says nothing about the EP elections, a letter from the LibDems and frankly, diddly squat from any other party.
Remains to be seen how many party funding laws Farage is breaking, we won't know until after the election in all possibility, when the (alleged) violations have produced the result Farage is working towards. If imfringements are identified then the offenders need to be jailed, not just fined, they have deep pockets and probably have a contingency for such eventualities.
Remains to be seen how many party funding laws Farage is breaking, we won't know until after the election in all possibility, when the (alleged) violations have produced the result Farage is working towards. If imfringements are identified then the offenders need to be jailed, not just fined, they have deep pockets and probably have a contingency for such eventualities.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/turk...nion-can-hurt/
Turkey shows Britain that a customs union can hurt
British fans of a customs union after Brexit would do well to take a long, hard look at Turkey.
Twenty-three years after it came into force, the EU's customs union with Turkey is buckling under the strain. Ankara claims that it is getting a raw deal and last year started imposing protective tariffs on a number of imports from the EU. European officials warn that these new duties undermine the whole point of an agreement designed to promote tariff-free trade.
At the heart of Turkish complaints lies a fundamental problem that would also affect Britain: As Brussels inks new trade accords around the globe, goods from those partner countries can enter the EU at reduced or zero tariff rates and then flow on for free into Turkey via the customs union. Turkish companies, however, do not benefit from reciprocal tariff cuts when exporting to those countries because Ankara is not part of the EU trade deals.
"The entire customs union is eroding," said Bahadır Kaleağası, secretary-general of the Turkish business association TÜSIAD, complaining that Turkey has to shoulder the impact of increased competition without being able to reap the benefits of new trade agreements........
Turkey shows Britain that a customs union can hurt
British fans of a customs union after Brexit would do well to take a long, hard look at Turkey.
Twenty-three years after it came into force, the EU's customs union with Turkey is buckling under the strain. Ankara claims that it is getting a raw deal and last year started imposing protective tariffs on a number of imports from the EU. European officials warn that these new duties undermine the whole point of an agreement designed to promote tariff-free trade.
At the heart of Turkish complaints lies a fundamental problem that would also affect Britain: As Brussels inks new trade accords around the globe, goods from those partner countries can enter the EU at reduced or zero tariff rates and then flow on for free into Turkey via the customs union. Turkish companies, however, do not benefit from reciprocal tariff cuts when exporting to those countries because Ankara is not part of the EU trade deals.
"The entire customs union is eroding," said Bahadır Kaleağası, secretary-general of the Turkish business association TÜSIAD, complaining that Turkey has to shoulder the impact of increased competition without being able to reap the benefits of new trade agreements........
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Originally Posted by ORAC
https://www.politico.eu/article/turk...nion-can-hurt/
Turkey shows Britain that a customs union can hurt
British fans of a customs union after Brexit would do well to take a long, hard look at Turkey.
Twenty-three years after it came into force, the EU's customs union with Turkey is buckling under the strain. Ankara claims that it is getting a raw deal and last year started imposing protective tariffs on a number of imports from the EU. European officials warn that these new duties undermine the whole point of an agreement designed to promote tariff-free trade.
At the heart of Turkish complaints lies a fundamental problem that would also affect Britain: As Brussels inks new trade accords around the globe, goods from those partner countries can enter the EU at reduced or zero tariff rates and then flow on for free into Turkey via the customs union. Turkish companies, however, do not benefit from reciprocal tariff cuts when exporting to those countries because Ankara is not part of the EU trade deals.
"The entire customs union is eroding," said Bahadır Kaleağası, secretary-general of the Turkish business association TÜSIAD, complaining that Turkey has to shoulder the impact of increased competition without being able to reap the benefits of new trade agreements........
Turkey shows Britain that a customs union can hurt
British fans of a customs union after Brexit would do well to take a long, hard look at Turkey.
Twenty-three years after it came into force, the EU's customs union with Turkey is buckling under the strain. Ankara claims that it is getting a raw deal and last year started imposing protective tariffs on a number of imports from the EU. European officials warn that these new duties undermine the whole point of an agreement designed to promote tariff-free trade.
At the heart of Turkish complaints lies a fundamental problem that would also affect Britain: As Brussels inks new trade accords around the globe, goods from those partner countries can enter the EU at reduced or zero tariff rates and then flow on for free into Turkey via the customs union. Turkish companies, however, do not benefit from reciprocal tariff cuts when exporting to those countries because Ankara is not part of the EU trade deals.
"The entire customs union is eroding," said Bahadır Kaleağası, secretary-general of the Turkish business association TÜSIAD, complaining that Turkey has to shoulder the impact of increased competition without being able to reap the benefits of new trade agreements........
If Turkey had taken a different path politically, the the customs agreement between Turkey and the EU would surely have broadened, but as it is the EU, and not just the EU are distancing themselves from the Erdogan regime.* Despite that Turkey is the source of many of the vehicle parts that are used by the European car industry, and this has only happened becaause of the trade agreements that are in place with the EU.
It is disingenuous of Politico to compare the limited customs union between Turkey and the EU, with that which (currently) exists for the UK within the EU customs union. The two are quite different. Then Politico is in the business of peddling anti EU nonsense - that's why people of that mindset read it.
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POLITICO: https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...airy-dairy-me/
Last night’s TV: Nick Watt broke the story of Boris’ potential new chums on Newsnight at 10.57 p.m. “I understand they are giving very serious consideration to backing a Brexiteer as the next leader of the Conservative Party,” Watt said, of the 60-strong group of moderate MPs. “The thinking is ‘no’ to somebody like Dominic Raab, because he seems far too keen on a no-deal Brexit, but a possible ‘yes’ to Boris Johnson. They would essentially be saying to him ‘look, if you give us an undertaking that you will really try for a deal over about a period of 12 to 18 months, then we would look [at you] very seriously. In other words, if you don’t jump straight into no deal.”
I wonder who was watching? A whole nine minutes later at 11.06 p.m., Johnson was suddenly tweeting his support for the “One Nation” manifesto. “Agree with all of this,” Boris announced. “One Nation values have never been more important.” What on earth could have prompted this show of love?
And then look: Within seconds, One Nation big-hitter Amber Rudd — who has made it be known she’d just *love* to be chancellor one day — was liking Boris’s tweet. It looks rather like the much-hyped “Bamber” ticket is happening........
Running scared: Interestingly, a new poll of readers of the LabourList website finds Johnson is the candidate they would least like to face in a general election. Almost half the 4,000-plus respondents (45 percent) picked Boris as the hardest opponent to beat, with Rory Stewart a distant second on 7.6 percent and Amber Rudd in third.
Sounds about right: Inside Jeremy Corbyn’s office there is a keen awareness that prime minister Boris would bring very different challenges to what they have faced before. One senior official tells Playbook the “ideal candidate” for Labour would be Dominic Raab. “He’s actually psychotic enough to try to take us out without a deal, and against the will of parliament,” the source said. “It absolutely suits us to face an ideologue like that.”.........
Last night’s TV: Nick Watt broke the story of Boris’ potential new chums on Newsnight at 10.57 p.m. “I understand they are giving very serious consideration to backing a Brexiteer as the next leader of the Conservative Party,” Watt said, of the 60-strong group of moderate MPs. “The thinking is ‘no’ to somebody like Dominic Raab, because he seems far too keen on a no-deal Brexit, but a possible ‘yes’ to Boris Johnson. They would essentially be saying to him ‘look, if you give us an undertaking that you will really try for a deal over about a period of 12 to 18 months, then we would look [at you] very seriously. In other words, if you don’t jump straight into no deal.”
I wonder who was watching? A whole nine minutes later at 11.06 p.m., Johnson was suddenly tweeting his support for the “One Nation” manifesto. “Agree with all of this,” Boris announced. “One Nation values have never been more important.” What on earth could have prompted this show of love?
And then look: Within seconds, One Nation big-hitter Amber Rudd — who has made it be known she’d just *love* to be chancellor one day — was liking Boris’s tweet. It looks rather like the much-hyped “Bamber” ticket is happening........
Running scared: Interestingly, a new poll of readers of the LabourList website finds Johnson is the candidate they would least like to face in a general election. Almost half the 4,000-plus respondents (45 percent) picked Boris as the hardest opponent to beat, with Rory Stewart a distant second on 7.6 percent and Amber Rudd in third.
Sounds about right: Inside Jeremy Corbyn’s office there is a keen awareness that prime minister Boris would bring very different challenges to what they have faced before. One senior official tells Playbook the “ideal candidate” for Labour would be Dominic Raab. “He’s actually psychotic enough to try to take us out without a deal, and against the will of parliament,” the source said. “It absolutely suits us to face an ideologue like that.”.........
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Turkey has got a chip on it's political shoulder since it hates criticism of how Erdogan is running the country, and particularly how he runs roughshod over Turkey's alleged democracy.
If Turkey had taken a different path politically, the the customs agreement between Turkey and the EU would surely have broadened, but as it is the EU, and not just the EU are distancing themselves from the Erdogan regime.* Despite that Turkey is the source of many of the vehicle parts that are used by the European car industry, and this has only happened becaause of the trade agreements that are in place with the EU.
It is disingenuous of Politico to compare the limited customs union between Turkey and the EU, with that which (currently) exists for the UK within the EU customs union. The two are quite different. Then Politico is in the business of peddling anti EU nonsense - that's why people of that mindset read it.
If Turkey had taken a different path politically, the the customs agreement between Turkey and the EU would surely have broadened, but as it is the EU, and not just the EU are distancing themselves from the Erdogan regime.* Despite that Turkey is the source of many of the vehicle parts that are used by the European car industry, and this has only happened becaause of the trade agreements that are in place with the EU.
It is disingenuous of Politico to compare the limited customs union between Turkey and the EU, with that which (currently) exists for the UK within the EU customs union. The two are quite different. Then Politico is in the business of peddling anti EU nonsense - that's why people of that mindset read it.
