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Old 16th May 2019, 15:04
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Theresa's departure is dependent on her EU proposal being accepted
No itís not
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Old 16th May 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
However, I believe that most people who voted to leave understood that, overall, it would be better for the UK to leave, than to remain. I think it is fairly well understood now, that the reality is that leaving will be the end of the UK, and will make England much worse off.

The winner of the Brexit vote, and a BIG winner if Brexit actually occurs? PUTIN.
The big loser if Brexit actually occurs, the common English resident.
Scotland and Ireland residents will probably be better off, as they leave the UK to stay in the EU as independent countries.
My bold. How will Scotland and NI achieve this given that it is accepted that when the UK leaves the EU Scotland and NI leave automatically too? Are you suggesting that in the future they will leave the UK at some point and apply to rejoin the EU?
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Old 16th May 2019, 15:40
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Tories lose fifth of their voters to Nigel Farage's Brexit Party in new poll blow for Theresa May



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Old 16th May 2019, 16:00
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Why all the amazement at loss of support for the two major parties?
The EU Election is a golden opportunity to give the major parties a well deserved kicking for lack of direction generally and over Brexit in particular. People can vent their frustration at the government, without actually risking its immediate replacement with something unknown. In this respect it's very like by-elections that often go against the government of the day, but in this case with a much greater profile.

When we've finally left the EU a new government will be not far away, and the old loyalties will drift back.

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Old 16th May 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why all the amazement at loss of support for the two major parties?
The EU Election is a golden opportunity to give the major parties a well deserved kicking for lack of direction generally and over Brexit in particular. People can vent their frustration at the government, without actually risking its immediate replacement with something unknown. In this respect it's very like by-elections that often go against the government of the day, but in this case with a much greater profile.

When we've finally left the EU a new government will be not far away, and the old loyalties will drift back.

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I think you said a few days ago that the MEP elections were, in essence, a referendum on Brexit in all but name. I agree with you (if you said that!). More so if the Brexit party actually called itself the 'No deal Brexit' party, then there could be no mis-understanding what voters were voting for if that's where their votes went. I wonder what the will be said if the Brexit party gets more votes than all the other parties combined? We now know what Brexit means, in all its flavours. Interesting times indeed.

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Old 16th May 2019, 17:00
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Parliament, which is composed of its composite political parties, lies utterly shamed and discredited. The British constitutional pact between its elected officials and the people has been ridiculed and violated. You have no government, no opposition, no parliament. An election will not correct this. A written constitution might make something of the tattered remnant of the unwritten one.
Once you've done that the only solution to the dire economic situation in which the country will find itself, will be to become a Singapore of the north and that will only succeed were you to model yourselves on Singapore in many ways. From a short analysis of national character, than you would be prepared to do.
You'll need to ditch Scotland too by the way. Sometimes the pack horse carries too much baggage.
So I foresee some particularly rough times ahead for England.
Never fear! Were Harry King of England, it would be spot on to draw your sword and cry For Harry and St George!
But rest assured, Boris is the man to see it through. Have you ever noticed how Johnson has the same number of syllables as Churchill, a good omen. I saw vultures flying down the right side of the Thames this morning while I was mapping out the route the triumphal procession would take and working out how the cranes would dip in tribute on the day of accession.
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Old 16th May 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Parliament, which is composed of its composite political parties, lies utterly shamed and discredited. The British constitutional pact between its elected officials and the people has been ridiculed and violated. You have no government, no opposition, no parliament. An election will not correct this. A written constitution might make something of the tattered remnant of the unwritten one.
Once you've done that the only solution to the dire economic situation in which the country will find itself, will be to become a Singapore of the north and that will only succeed were you to model yourselves on Singapore in many ways. From a short analysis of national character, than you would be prepared to do.
You'll need to ditch Scotland too by the way. Sometimes the pack horse carries too much baggage.
So I foresee some particularly rough times ahead for England.
Never fear! Were Harry King of England, it would be spot on to draw your sword and cry For Harry and St George!
But rest assured, Boris is the man to see it through. Have you ever noticed how Johnson has the same number of syllables as Churchill, a good omen. I saw vultures flying down the right side of the Thames this morning while I was mapping out the route the triumphal procession would take and working out how the cranes would dip in tribute on the day of accession.
You want England, the remnant of the UK, to be like Singapore? Where it's illegal to have a public meeting of more than five people without a police permit? That, and many other things, would go down well here.
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Old 16th May 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post

When we've finally left the EU a new government will be not far away, and the old loyalties will drift back.

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Oh dear, you is still hanging on to your doomsday scenario
Fear not dearie, like all your predictions it aint gunna 'appen
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Old 16th May 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You want England, the remnant of the UK, to be like Singapore? Where it's illegal to have a public meeting of more than five people without a police permit? That, and many other things, would go down well here.

Blimey! Do you mean that all those crew outings to Bugis Street and meals at Fattys for around 16 of us required a Police permit?

Maybe thatís why there was always someone on the crew who was staying in to wash their hair they must have known!
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Old 16th May 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
European Parliament voting intention (Wales):

BREX: 33% (+33)
LAB: 18% (-10)
PC: 16% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+6)
GRN: 8% (+3)
CON: 7% (-10)
CHUK: 4% (+4)

via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 2014 result.
That works out Brexit 2, Lab & PC one each.
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Old 16th May 2019, 18:56
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vctenderness,

Try it now and your feet wouldn't touch!

Singapore is a very different place to what it was pre 1971 when the UK forces were in residence.
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Old 16th May 2019, 19:04
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It is generally accepted that Labour splits 3:1 against Brexit while Tories splutter 3:1 in favour. So according to that we have

Labour 13.5% PC 16% LD 10% Green 8% Change 4% Tory 2% Total 53.5% Anti Brexit

Brexit 33% Tory 5% Labour 4.5%. Total 42.5% Pro Brexit
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Old 16th May 2019, 19:12
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As the 2016 result was 52.5/47.5 in favour of Leave that suggest a swing to Remain of 8%. Repeated nationally this would give 56/44 in favour of Remain. Hardly surprising that they don't want Ref2!
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Old 16th May 2019, 19:53
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Oh dear, you is still hanging on to your doomsday scenario
Fear not dearie, like all your predictions it aint gunna 'appen
You mean my prediction from 2016 that there would be no satisfactory exit agreement, to be followed by a Labour government? Both were scorned at the time. Well the first part has proved true and I'm standing by the second part.
We'll see in 2022 if not before.
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Old 16th May 2019, 22:01
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It would be most satisfactory to have a Labour government but only a self deluded historical ignoramus with both sadistic and masochistic persuasions could want a Marxist one. Still, perhaps that's the new way fad in town now that trans gender, cross gender, and farmers weekly have been successfully drained of any remains political correctness dichotomy or satisfaction. As for myself, I shall remain quietly in the steamy communal compound near Lagos, playing my piano, too scared to go out at night and absolutely terrified that I might catch malaria for then the company will know that I have deliberately not taken my anti malaria medicine and will evacuate me northwards to good old Blighty!
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Old 16th May 2019, 22:37
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post



Blimey! Do you mean that all those crew outings to Bugis Street and meals at Fattys for around 16 of us required a Police permit?

Maybe thatís why there was always someone on the crew who was staying in to wash their hair they must have known!
you were tolerated to do that because they very well knew you were a tourist that was leaving the country very soon. Try doing that as a local or a gauilao (white ghost aka an expat) and your feet wouldnít touch the ground whilst you were hauled off to buikit timah police station.
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Old 17th May 2019, 05:53
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Some of our contributors have proudly announced their intent to vote for the Farage party in the forthcoming elections and, to avoid any confusion as what the principle of democracy entails, may I say you are fully entitled to squander your vote in this manner when you do.

Of course, this piece from C4 News last night is merely a smear campaign so no veracity involved.....although some may recall Nige's plaintiff plea about "I'm skint !" which gets a mention. Destitution clearly takes different forms after all. Also mentioned is one Mr Banks ...yet again.

Also contains rare footage of the rapacious gob being somewhat less rapacious than usual when seen wandering aimlessly around Merthyr Tydfil . Not often Nige is stuck for words after all.

As I understand matters, those who joined the Farage party were asked to make a donation of £25.....best of luck asking for a refund.
https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...crets-revealed

Here's Treeza.."shot by her own troops " comes to mind....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...office-cartoon

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Old 17th May 2019, 06:00
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Seeing as how the EU MEP elections are widely regarded as a second referendum, when the Remain side loses again will they be calling for referendum number 3?, or will that not be required as the (so called) UK Government will again just ignore all indications and plough on with the plan of making everyone so fed up wiith it all that they can revoke Art50 with nary a murmer?

A lot of those involved simply aren't engaging with reality

P.S. this is just my opinion if you don't like it I have others

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Old 17th May 2019, 06:40
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They couldn’t fill 32 chairs in a cricket pavilion......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...earned-to-walk

Change UK is dying before it even learned to walk
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Old 17th May 2019, 07:35
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Hyperdark, got it in one. Leaders, EU elections referendums, people's votes are only indicative. Only an election washing out the flotsam and injecting fresh blood would have a chance. Even a new Government would then come home against an obdurate Civil Service.
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