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Old 14th May 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
ATNotts,

Politico suggests he can pick up his new passport while he’s there......
I should be so lucky. Can find an iota of European blood in my heritage. Far to English for my own good!
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:00
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I hear that a Dutch one is a good possibility. Although there are basic language requirements it s said that there are many solicitors who require little more than Lekker Lekker when you pass over the requisite Euros.
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:13
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Another lying bastige in government, quelle surprise.
How anyone can continue to defend any politician or political party is beyond me, I honestly struggle to think of a single one that has any integrity and if one exists no doubt they won't be in a top position as it seems integrity is the last thing you want to exhibit if you desire to climb that ladder

I will be voting for Farage's lot in the EU elections, not because I think he is any bloody different, but because I think it may help in getting us out of the EU and I want us out of the EU not because I think our lot are any better but because its the first step in dismantling the whole bloody system of World politics, a system that has become universally corrupt.
Decades ago My tiny bedsit was decorated with posters, one of which stated a cree indian saying :

"When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money"
If you regard the saying as leftist hippy-shit and think it is not at all linked to politics you need to do some thinking



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Old 14th May 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I hear that a Dutch one is a good possibility. Although there are basic language requirements it s said that there are many solicitors who require little more than Lekker Lekker when you pass over the requisite Euros.
Must try it; I can speak German so I don't find Dutch too hard to read; a bu**er to speak though!
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:21
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"When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money"
How true that is; yet still the world craves "economic growth". Both that growth, and the growth in human population need curbing and soon if our descendants are to have any sort of quality of life in a hundred years or so.
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Hyperdark View Post
"When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money"
If you regard the saying as leftist hippy-shit and think it is not at all linked to politics you need to do some thinking
A very wise saying, and the world is a long way on that journey.
Britain leaving the EU is going to help? How, exactly?
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:57
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Jan Ravens, promoting a Dead Ringers show on Radio 4 this morning, came up with an absolute cracker:
She described Andrea Ledsom as looking like someone from the "Extreme Tupperware Party"!
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:14
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Labour MP Russell-Moyle on All Out Politics this morning campaigning for all EU residents in the UK to have the right to vote in UK general elections and referenda, plus all UK expats who have lived outside the UK for over 15 years. This does raise a few questions.

Presumably, in the interests of equality, the same rules would have to apply throughout the entire EU and should not be introduced purely in a national basis, but as part of an EU treaty change applying to all member nations?

He also mentioned the principle of no taxation without representation. Presumably he therefore intends the rules to be linked to taxation and ensure that only those who are normally resident in the UK and pay income will be enfranchised, and all other expats will be unable to vote? This would, of course, mean giving the EU some oversight and control of taxation.

Lastly, to ensure that there is no exploitation with electors voting both in their home nations as well as the UK, presumably this will also give the EU the authority to harmonise EU voter registration and electoral rolls?

I look forward to Mr Russell-Moyle debating this at Labour conference, ensuring it included in their next manifesto.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:29
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.He also mentioned the principle of no taxation without representation. Presumably he therefore intends the rules to be linked to taxation and ensure that only those who are normally resident in the UK and pay income will be enfranchised, and all other expats will be unable to vote?
"no taxation without representation" immediately raises the yet again question of what's the plan for UK national non-UK residents who do pay UK tax?

.Lastly, to ensure that there is no exploitation with electors voting both in their home nations as well as the UK, presumably this will also give the EU the authority to harmonise EU voter registration and electoral rolls?
To some extent, at least for the European Elections that's already being done. Certainly in France if you are a UK "expat" who has been outside the UK for less than 15 years you have a choice as to whether to vote in the UK in your former constituency or at home in France, but you do in effect have to register as opting for one side of the channel or the other.

Those of us who have been in France for over 15 years are automatically placed solely on the local register for voting in the Europeans...the voter ID cards for our household arrived a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:54
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My daughter got a vote Brexit leaflet in the post today entitled why we must leave the Eu and then goes on to give no reasons ata ll except the elusive take back control. Why they sent it to her is unimaginable as she is in the process of leaving UK for Czech Republic where they have lowest unemployment in EU , Affordable housing well funded health service and good educational standards. They have openly corrupt politicians and to some extent police but as she puts it they are fairly openly corrupt whereas in UK they are stealthy corrupt so you can't see whats going on . In almost all countries there is a significant degree of corruption in politics and the police so its unlikely to be different here its just how its done.

But the leaflet sum s up Farage , a traitor hiding behind a flag and a populist with a single issue agenda with no idea of what to do if he won and citing the views of fairly typical insular ' professionals' who have little experience of life and business outside the Uk and where UK stands in various global rankings, still we are right up at the top of the inequality table so thats ok for the Ress Moggs of this world who merely want to push us higher.
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Old 14th May 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
My daughter got a vote Brexit leaflet in the post today entitled why we must leave the Eu and then goes on to give no reasons ata ll except the elusive take back control. Why they sent it to her is unimaginable as she is in the process of leaving UK for Czech Republic where they have lowest unemployment in EU , Affordable housing well funded health service and good educational standards. They have openly corrupt politicians and to some extent police but as she puts it they are fairly openly corrupt whereas in UK they are stealthy corrupt so you can't see whats going on . In almost all countries there is a significant degree of corruption in politics and the police so its unlikely to be different here its just how its done.

But the leaflet sum s up Farage , a traitor hiding behind a flag and a populist with a single issue agenda with no idea of what to do if he won and citing the views of fairly typical insular ' professionals' who have little experience of life and business outside the Uk and where UK stands in various global rankings, still we are right up at the top of the inequality table so thats ok for the Ress Moggs of this world who merely want to push us higher.
You seem fond of ranting. Why don't you answer a question on previous claims you have made.

Could you tell us what 'Poor Laws' and 'Child Labour' that Rees-Mogg has stated he is bringing back? You must have a reference to this happening, or you wouldn't have written it.

You have mentioned many times on here about leavers not listening to facts and telling lies. Either provide evidence for the above or many will see your post just full of lies. If that is the case then you are just as bad as those you are complaining about.
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Old 14th May 2019, 15:27
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There is no longer any need to enact legislation. The economic system has already sorted it. The poor are at the bottom of the heap and will be forced to endure more and more humiliation without the possibility of escape. I always laugh when Tories hold up some low born who has made it out of the gutter. There is probably as much chance of escaping poverty by buying a lottery ticket than by working hard. Unfortunately there is far more chance by committing crime, drug dealing etc. the preferred route these days. Of course once they make it they then become upholders of the system and pillars of society.
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Old 14th May 2019, 20:27
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I always mutter darkly when the murdering Marxists or the Facebook fawning Lib Dems or the over steamed Greens hold up, as an example of vileness, someone who has worked hard and made a lot of money, especially if that parent has wanted to leave some moolah to his offspring. Nothing reflects the green eyed mediocrity of Britain more than that attitude.
As for upholders of the system and pillars of society, I would suggest that there are leaders of trades unions whose enormous salaries, perks and pensions are funded by what are effectively compulsory contributions from the rank and file workers who have no say in the matter whatsoever if they want to keep their jobs and quite possibly their knee caps.
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Old 15th May 2019, 05:59
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When a picture paints a thousand words........

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-cartoon

Got a missive from Nige yesterday in the post.....didn't say much of course, but, there again, the most prominent feature was the smirking fizzog ......however, our dog has never been averse to the odd spot of wanton vandalism when it comes to paper, tissues and the like....even she declined to shred it when it popped through the door.........probably due to the toxicity it contained .
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
When a picture paints a thousand words........

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-cartoon

Got a missive from Nige yesterday in the post.....didn't say much of course, but, there again, the most prominent feature was the smirking fizzog ......however, our dog has never been averse to the odd spot of wanton vandalism when it comes to paper, tissues and the like....even she declined to shred it when it popped through the door.........probably due to the toxicity it contained .
Exactly what is it about democracy that turns you off KnC?

Our Nige may not be to everyone's taste but in this case he is simply trying to ensure democracy is upheld.

The Brexit party will be getting my vote
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:27
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Exactly what is it about democracy that turns you off KnC?

Our Nige may not be to everyone's taste but in this case he is simply trying to ensure democracy is upheld.

The Brexit party will be getting my vote
I'm all in favour of democracy you will be astounded to learn.....unfortunately, Nige, and democracy, are diametrically opposite, plus, in case you missed it, as with UKIP ( passé ) this new party is all about the manifestation of Farage..it's his party, others are merely superfluous supporting acts. You may wish to delete democracy and insert autocracy when referring to Nige.

Quite bemusing to read you, and others, will be voting before the manifesto is published however. We know what his polemical diatribes will be, no change from years past, but it would surely make sense to see what other lies, fantasies and fallacies are being proposed

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Old 15th May 2019, 08:34
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KnC believes in democracy - as long as people share his views and vote for the party he prefers.

p.s. The Brexit Party isn’t publishing a manifesto for the European Election. Their position is that for this election they don’t need one - it’s in their name, and the way the Conservative and Labour parties have ignored their own from the last election means that the public see them as a tissue of lies anyway.

Personally I will be voting Conservative, because I believe Daniel Hannan, as my MEP, deserves my support.

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After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

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Old 15th May 2019, 08:37
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Farage also appears to unite people who normally wouldn't be united.....against him. No end to his talents.
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:48
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KnC believes in democracy - as long as people share his views and vote for the party he prefers.
And curiously Brexiteers believe in democracy, except when it is suggested that a new vote is held in the light of new information. Then to have a vote is totally undemocratic.

Democracy is in the eye of the beholder!
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:48
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I thought the angst amongst the Reamin parties was exactly that they aren't united, meaning their votes will be split minimising the number of seats why might win - whilst Farage seems to have practically totally consolidated the Leave vote under one party ensuring the maximum voting effect.

I also note the observation in the Grauniad this morning that his campaigning is totally concentrated in Labour viting strobgholds. it’s not just the Conservatives who face decimation.
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