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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:43
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With regard to the alleged leaks by Gavin Henderson, while the police may investigate an allegation of crime, the decision as to whether to proceed with a prosecution lies with the CPS. Given who is in charge of the CPS, there is absolutely no chance of a prosecution given the currently known "facts".

A court case would necessarily involve revealing additional details of the deliberations that took place within the NSC meeting and examination of how exactly detailed information leaked almost immediately the meeting concluded, if not before. Those details could be considered to be extremely sensitive with regatd to British national interests. Theresa May is correct to draw a line under the issue, no matter how unfair it might appear to the media. A criminal prosecution serves no purpose. Even if Gavin Henderson were to be exonerated, he would not regain his former position due to the loss of trust between himself and May.

Just another distraction from Brexit.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
If it has been mentioned already then my apologies but does anyone else here think that Gavin Williamson has been asked to take one for the team?
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According to what I read yesterday, MT indeed did just that, authorised the leak and got a minister to take the heat.

In this case, I don't think so. If you take the hit you don't do it that way.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 13:16
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-48148755

A Labour councillor has blamed his party's losses on MP Yvette Cooper, saying she "wouldn't know democracy if it scratched her in the eyeballs".
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Old 3rd May 2019, 13:52
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Statistically the 2016 referendum was pretty close- a two percent or so swing would have given a different result so rather than say yesterdays votes said get on with Brexit I suspect approximately half the rebellious voters were saying get rid of Brexit altogether and probably a bigger proportion as a lot of pro voters are now dead .

Whats going to happen in two weeks with the Euro elections which will be even stranger to read and like yesterday should have been used for a second referendum vote anyway- just add two more boxes stay or quit and the whole thing would have been over.

As for the Oficial secrets Act its years out of date and should be reviewed . In this case a man told the truth about the PMs backsliding on security in order to try and rescue any hope of a trade deal. And then the great leader will be here in two weeks to tell her'-Lady, its Huawei or my way and no trade deal for you and no intelligence partnership either. Just this one issues shows what a catastrophic cockup brexit has been and how Britain's place in the world has become completely at the beck and call of others . That was the whole point of the Eu economically and trade wise, individually we are all a push over but together we are the ones doing the pushing. the people who hid that from the voters should face jail much more quickly than the former Sec of defence





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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:18
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But we have had the vote and that needs actioning before any other referendums, it's totally against the spirit of Democracy to do otherwise, the people were asked, they replied and that needs to be carried through, they were not asked do you want a hard brexit, a soft brexit or a Labour inspired none brexit, they were asked do you want to leave all things EU, the customs union, EU courts, to regain our control over our borders and immigration and the answer was yes.

To hold another referendum simply opens another can of worms, if the vote goes the other way, do you then appease those that feel robbed of their vote in the first referendum and hold a third and a fourth? what if you do not like the current council elections, should we run those again until you like the results, perhaps we should do the same with the next general election?
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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:24
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Whilst I'm sure that many people will be reading into the results what they want to hear, such as Brexit is dead, the two main parties have been only noticeable by their complete lack of campaigning in this area. Nothing what so ever from the Tories and only a random Facebook post to the towns local page from Labour, a mere 24 hours before polling. Laughable at best.

Considering what an abysmal job the main two parties are doing in parliament, the results are hardly surprising.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:30
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
But we have had the vote and that needs actioning before any other referendums, it's totally against the spirit of Democracy to do otherwise, the people were asked, they replied and that needs to be carried through, they were not asked do you want a hard brexit, a soft brexit or a Labour inspired none brexit, they were asked do you want to leave all things EU, the customs union, EU courts, to regain our control over our borders and immigration and the answer was yes.
Haven't said this (here) for a while but this seems an appropriate opportunity for another airing:

I do so luuuurve the ever increasing shrillness of the #brexshitters' rising panic.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
Whilst I'm sure that many people will be reading into the results what they want to hear, such as Brexit is dead, the two main parties have been only noticeable by their complete lack of campaigning in this area. Nothing what so ever from the Tories and only a random Facebook post to the towns local page from Labour, a mere 24 hours before polling. Laughable at best.

Considering what an abysmal job the main two parties are doing in parliament, the results are hardly surprising.
I got a named and addressed enveloped hand delivered with a sheet of blurb from my local Labour MP and nothing from anyone else, I didn't even know who was running in my patch such was the lack of information out there, I am happy to know that my addressed envelope and labour blurb will be heading to landfill next week, shame the whole rotten parties couldn't be joining it..
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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:41
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Nutloose, same here, one leaflet only for the opposite party. My conclusion is that council candidates for the main parties didn't try very hard.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 14:52
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Haven't said this (here) for a while but this seems an appropriate opportunity for another airing:

I do so luuuurve the ever increasing shrillness of the #brexshitters' rising panic.
Not sure what evidence you have for this as it is still early in the analysis stakes.

Where there was no real competition was the turnout at normal levels? We even had two wards with no competition. Rather than shrill you might say disinterest.

In our ward with two of each the voting split was quite revealing. In round numbers Con A got 70 votes more than Con B and Lab A ( the wife) got about 60 more than her husband Lab B. This strongly suggests a vote against Con B and Lab A being the preferred recipient. Overall the May fiasco had no significant effect.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Nutloose, same here, one leaflet only for the opposite party. My conclusion is that council candidates for the main parties didn't try very hard.
Do you live in a safe seat? If so WTF do you expect? - it's called "first past the post".
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Old 3rd May 2019, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Not sure what evidence you have for this
The evidence is various posts on various social media over the years since the referendum. I admit that I haven't done any sort of rigorous academic study, so that the "increasing shrillness" of the posts is my personal judgement of their content, not any statistical study of trigger words or anything like that, and the "rising panic" is my personal guess as to the reason for the increasing shrillness, I haven't found and interviewed the authors of the increasingly shrill posts in order to get their take on their motivation.

At least you can't argue with my statement that I think this is great, because that's simply a true statement of how I personally feel about something.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 16:04
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
it's called "first past the post".
That's a shame for some, they would be happier with second past the post -

2nd in the referendum...
2nd in the council election...
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Old 3rd May 2019, 16:18
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2nd in the council election...
My ward wasn't a target this year, there was no expectation that I would win. We won all the target seats I worked in.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 16:45
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Probably not a good idea to offer support for blaming Labour....the Tories have been equally condemnatory of Treeza et al ....and no doubt there will be a few more from both parties in the days to follow, all on the same theme.....



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48143702

To be fair though, Treeza is due a lot of credit as she's managed to keep the scandal of Brexit going far longer than any of these did.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

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Old 3rd May 2019, 17:52
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We each had an addressed slip from the Conservatives but only the under 30 member of the household had a personally addressed missive from the Lib-Dems. Unsurprisingly nothing at all from Labour but I was surprised not to get anything from the local Independents.

I'm not reading too much into the Lib-Dems gains in local elections as I do not think their large gains, predominantly at the expense of the Conservative, will result in a big increase in Lib-Dem MPs.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 18:22
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I'm not reading too much into the Lib-Dems gains in local elections as I do not think their large gains, predominantly at the expense of the Conservative, will result in a big increase in Lib-Dem MPs.
All that can be taken from these elections is that the general public is totally p'd off with politicians. And we knew that already.
I feel sorry for local councillors who have been working hard for their communities (there are some - I've met them) who have been thrown out because their parties in Westminster have messed up big time.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 18:23
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It seems that the Conservatives lack a strategic planner.
First the last General Election, now the 'unintended consequences' of not acting on Brexit - which should have been predictable by a 'Think Tank'.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 18:51
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Think tank, lol, they have enough problems with their old boiler without adding a tank into the equation.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 19:24
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I've seen some of this chap's videos before. Former left wing stand up comedian (not an MP).

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