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Old 1st May 2019, 09:53
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Anecdotal stories don’t top statistical evidence. And far too easy to blame civil servants - the vast majority of whom are low wage earners, union members, and in the main probably Labour voters.

And since the evidence shows an ever rising, in real terms, benefits budget, whilst unemployment has been ever shrinking, no draconian or brutal cuts. The money, after all, must be going to someone.
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:08
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Anecdotal stories don’t top statistical evidence. And far too easy to blame civil servants - the vast majority of whom are low wage earners, union members, and in the main probably Labour voters.

And since the evidence shows an ever rising, in real terms, benefits budget, whilst unemployment has been ever shrinking, no draconian or brutal cuts. The money, after all, must be going to someone.

ORAC...it's not an anecdotal "story "..it's a factual continuing précis allied to which are her experiences when working for Mencap and the homeless.

The civil servants are not exonerated either. Nobody with a conscience would work for the DWP as the Gov't policies are blatantly obvious.....as to where the money is going...lets start with the DUP and funding the ongoing debacle shall we ?

And it's some form of glitch than has "PR" in capitals.... for those concerned about grammar
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:09
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Breaking news - Campaigners against the 3rd runway at Heathrow have lost their case at the High Court.
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Old 1st May 2019, 10:12
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Hold on a second. So allegations directed at Jeremy Corbyn can be dismissed as biased propaganda and electioneering? But everything written about Nigel Farage is absolute gospel?

Have you met either man? Can you vouch for the truth in either case?

Maybe, just maybe we are witnessing media bias?

Our opinions may differ but I will never deny your right to hold them. However, surely even You can see the hypocrisy in your sentiments?

I should just add, for those not already aware, I am not a fan of either man and would never give either my vote.

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Old 1st May 2019, 10:52
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Breaking news - Campaigners against the 3rd runway at Heathrow have lost their case at the High Court.
But as is the way with our bonkers planning system, they will surely appeal to a higher court, then apply for judicial review, possibly claim the runway infringes their human rights, and finally, if we're still in, go to the ECJ for a final say.

Not necessarily in that order, but it just illustrates why our UK transport infrastructure and it's development is in such a God awful mess.
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Old 1st May 2019, 11:32
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... for those concerned about grammar
You are still suffering from a dreadful case of "dot diarrhea" (one of the worst cases seen on PPRuNe).

Dear boy, ellipses are only three 'dots' with a space before and after them. (Unless you are one of those University of Oxford types then you don't have the spaces but, from you ramblings, I did not think that would be the case.)
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Old 1st May 2019, 12:07
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I was having a think this morning about the recent visit of a Labour canvassing councillor to a house I stay in situated in the UK. He was touting for business.
Much is made and absolutely rightly so, of the utterly gut wrenching atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis. Not all Nazis were Germans of course, a fact often forgotten and there were many Europeans of all nationalities who were Nazi in everything but card carrying capacity. No one though seeks to similarly define the Marxist and yet that is not right for the Marxist is as culpable in terms of crimes against humanity as is the Nazi. Imagine then my horror to find this councillor representing a political party whose head is a Marxist, whose financial leader is a Marxist and whose press director is a Marxist, standing the doorstep, asking for my vote.
To my shame, I forgot to tell this Marxist masquerading as a Labour councillor, the atrocious behaviour to which the Marxists subjected my family in Estonia in 1917.
My grandmother was separated from her husband and forced to flee on foot across the Estonian border into Germany persecuted and harried by the Marxists at every turn, her house in ruin, her farm confiscated. As a consequence of being a refugee she became separated from her husband and some years later married another, only to discover that her first husband had in fact survived. He had in fact sought her and their daughter out in order to resurrect their ruptured family life. On discovering that she was bigamously married, he disappeared and did her what he thought was the favour of shooting himself. I refer to these people as my family, they are in fact my step family but that is a small detail in the history of a family's persecution.
Faced with this Marxist monster at the door and mindful of the fact that in Britain one must be polite to people in authority provided that they are of the left, I asked him only whether he was aware that some people might consider the Labour Party now to be ever so slightly synonymous with the Marxist Party. 'Not at all' he expostulated 'local Labour has nothing to do with national Labour'.
Vipers, nest, exterminate sprang to mind as I gently closed the door and thought of my poor family back in Estonia, evicted, robbed and refugeed by the same political party that this man now so cheerfully represented.
Much is made of Tommy Robinson and the English defence League and I have no doubt whatsoever that he and it are loathsome in their outlooks both individual and collective. But then, here at the doorstep had been this pleasant, smiling Marxist representative, with their track record of hideous crimes against humanity, cajoling for a vote.
What a mess the place is in.. Better vote for Nigel, at least one can close one's eyes and think of The Log and Nigel's strip.

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Old 1st May 2019, 18:01
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The idiot boy Williamson has been sacked as defence secretary for the Huawei National Security Council leak to the press.
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Old 1st May 2019, 18:18
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Gavin Williamson sacked as defence secretary for Huawei leak

Announced in The Guardian and on the BBC website.

The prime minister has this evening asked Gavin Williamson to leave the government, having lost confidence in his ability to serve in the role of defence secretary and as a member of her cabinet.

The prime minister’s decision has been informed by his conduct surrounding an investigation into the circumstances of the unauthorised disclosure of information from a meeting of the National Security Council.
Penny Mordant has been appointed to replace him.

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Old 1st May 2019, 18:20
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The idiot boy Williamson has been sacked as defence secretary for the Huawei National Security Council leak to the press.
"I made her and I can break her "..or something like that.."shut up and go away "....a fitting epitaph really......here's a bit of Queen to celebrate ....

Nearly forgot, his appointment was lauded by some of our former military as being just the sort of chap needed for the post .........alas !

Responses to a couple of other posts tomorrow.....one feels the need to consume Boddy's ....in fond memory of course...whatever reason could there possibly be !

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Old 1st May 2019, 18:22
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I refer honourable members to post 7575 April 25.
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Old 1st May 2019, 18:57
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'Don't tell them your name Williamson'

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Old 1st May 2019, 19:34
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Well, that might attract a degree of ribald hilarity at at the Admiralty, an acting sub lieutenant reservist in charge of the Queen's navy. Still, if they name a submarine after her, she'll be HMS Mordaunt which sounds a lot more terrifying than the reality if the rest of the fleet.
Aologies to those who think ships are its and should not longer be referred to as she. Gender neutrality hasn't yet scrabbled up the shoreline of this part of the ocean's shore.
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Old 1st May 2019, 21:03
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'Don't tell them your name Williamson'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-live-news

So we are not immediately posting the Prince of Wales East of Suez, for now. (Its on the Mil Section as I type) - Private Jones where are you Now. Unless He's personally paying for the deployment.

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Old 1st May 2019, 21:14
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Gavin Williamson has responded to the PM’s letter

Dear Prime Minister,

It has been a great privilege to serve as Defence Secretary and Chief Whip in your Government. Every day I have seen the extraordinary work of the men and women of our armed forces, who go to incredible lengths to defend our country.

I am sorry that you feel recent leaks from the National Security Council originated in my Department. I emphatically believe this was not the case. I strenuously deny that I was in any way involved in this leak and I am confident that a thorough and formal inquiry would have vindicated my position.

I have always trusted my civil servants, military advisers and staff. I believe the assurances they have given me.

I appreciate you offering me the option to resign, but to resign would have been to accept that I, my civil servants, my military advisers or my staff were responsible: this was not the case.

Restoring public confidence in the NSC is an ambition we both share. With that in mind I hope that your decision achieves this aim rather than being seen as a temporary distraction.

As I said there has been no greater privilege than working with our armed forces and I will continue to stand up for our service personnel and the superb work they do.

Yours,

Gavin


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Old 1st May 2019, 21:21
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In the circumstances the DT should be heavily leaned upon to reveal their source. There are precedents for this and those in positions of power at the newspaper would stand in contempt of court if they refused. If Williamson wasn't responsible then somebody else was.
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Old 1st May 2019, 21:45
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As we are promised that Huawei wont play any core role in the 5G network whats the big deal here-certainly no security issue as the PM said Huawei present no security risk so surely he hasnt done anything wrong by leaking it . The official secrets act is totally out of date and merelya threat to free speech these days

On the other hand giving into Chinese pressure-no Huawei no China trade deal is huge embarrassment tot he PM and thats clearly why he has been sacked, party before country yet again and needs reviewing for the 21st Century
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Old 1st May 2019, 21:58
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In the circumstances the DT should be heavily leaned upon to reveal their source. There are precedents for this and those in positions of power at the newspaper would stand in contempt of court if they refused. If Williamson wasn't responsible then somebody else was.
That is a tricky one. What was the precedent?

It might be possible for the editor to make a sworn disposition, but would he be believed?

Without impugning anyone, it is possible that the culprit passed the information to a third party who leaked to the press. Or though from what has been done it seems that the leak might have occurred before anyone left the estate.

Personally, if I was in a position of trust such as a minister of State and my leader doubted my integrity I would not want to serve that leader. I take Williamson's point, to resign could be taken as an admission of guilt, but I would resign on as a point of honour.
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Old 1st May 2019, 21:59
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Fiona gone as well; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-48123355
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Old 1st May 2019, 22:12
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I wonder whether Williamson could follow her to being booted out by his constituency?
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