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Old 24th Apr 2019, 11:58
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


I recall some years ago that BT was putting out tenders for some large telecoms infrastructure project and Marconi tendered but made it clear that if they weren’t awarded the contract they would most likely disappear from the market altogether - in other words the BT contract would be a lifeline to them. BT awarded the contract to Huawei and the rest is history. Sometimes there has to be other considerations other than price? National interest?

Bit of info here if you’re interested.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2005/aug/09/5
Most countries put national interest ahead of price; the UK appears to do the opposite, hence you have situations where Carrilion go belly up, and other government outsourcing companies get into financial difficulties of simply don't deliver on service - I'm presently suffering at the hands of one - Cadent who are the successor in some roundabout way to National Grid, and they in turn have subcontracted work to another outsourcing company Triio. Neither can apparent organise an inebriation party in a brewery.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 13:00
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ATNotts, my point was it was easier to stop nutty schemes than to change
policy.

And bent bananas was true. St Lucia lost its major market when that happened though I see Waitrose now sell bananas from the Caribbean and Africa and label the countries each bunch comes from. Though when I searched for St Lucian they had sold out.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 13:20
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Except when that nutty scheme is Brexit!!
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
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Except when that nutty scheme is Brexit!!
Remember they write Article 50.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
The issue with the Huawei contract is not that the Chinese may exercise control over the network, rather that the UK government may not have complete control. Current mobile systems can be monitored and selectively disabled by GCHQ whenever necessary. The problem is that the Hiawei systems and encryption standards are robust enough to resist such monitoring and selective degradation of services.

The ability to selectively disrupt mobile services becomes important when dealing with possible terrorist related activities such as remote triggering of IEDs or hostile drone flying activity over sensitive areas, for example. Secure encryption would also degrade the capabilities of GCHQ and other organisations tasked with monitoring communications passing through and within the UK.

Then there is the consideration that mobile data networks are essential to the running of many businesses. Bank transactions and all manner of other business rely on accurate time data synchronised through mobile networks in order to verify the legitimacy of their transactions. A prolonged disruption to mobile networks would be more economically damaging to the UK than any number of Brexits. Imagine being forced to rely on paper invoices for every transaction and reverting to cash or cheque payments only. There simply aren't enough coins and bank notes in circulation to cope.

There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about having significant portions of our communications networks being sourced from outside the UK, but that is a risk that needs to be taken if we are to remain close to the leading edge of technology. UK developed systems could be exclusively used but at much higher cost and possibly with incompatibility linking to other external networks.

Perhaps the nearest comparison might be Microsoft Office, the suite of word processor, spreadsheet and database programs that have a virtual monopoly across the world. Alternatives exist, but no right thinking office manager would bother specifying anything else despite the known security loopholes.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 06:40
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POLITICO:

”......The one interesting Brexit story this morning is a blog by Sky’s new political editor, Beth Rigby, which suggests Downing Street is indeed poised to bring forward the Withdrawal Agreement Bill next week. She reckons the plan is to “load the WAB” with “trinkets” designed to appeal to different factions of MPs. “The government is planning to add reassurances on workers’ rights into the domestic legislation in order to try to win support from Labour MPs representing leave seats,” Rigby writes. “One Conservative source told Sky News there were 22 Labour MPs in this grouping who might vote for the WAB if the reassurances were baked into the bill. No. 10 is also planning to add reassurances on the use of alternative technological solutions to solve the Irish border questions, in the hope it will convince some of the European Research Group Brexiteers to vote for the deal.”

Good luck with that: The problem for No. 10 is that none of these measures are actually new, and these promises have not proved sufficient to get the Brexit deal thus far. The calculation inside Downing Street may be that bringing forward the actual legislation that delivers Brexit might help convince wavering MPs to take a different approach … But there’s zero evidence of that as yet.

Quite the opposite: In fact, the move may yet prove counterproductive, with some officials who have seen the bill describing it as political dynamite. By its very nature, the WAB spells out in precise legal detail all the connotations and consequences of May’s Brexit deal. Her opponents plan to seize on it as further evidence of why the plan must not be allowed to pass. Still, it should at least give us something to talk about next week........”

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Old 25th Apr 2019, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Remember they write Article 50.
Drafted by, or headed up by a Brit! You couldn't make it up.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 08:15
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So what exactly is the problem with Article 50? The fact that it requires a negotiated Withdrawal Agreement?

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Article 50 – Treaty on European Union (TEU)
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:01
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https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/r...it-conversion/

Newly selected Labour MEP Lord Adonis appears to have had a conversion of biblical proportions over Brexit – the Remainiac-in-chief posted a remarkable statement on Facebook yesterday. Not only did Adonis apologise for previously telling Brexiteers to not vote Labour, he even talks about respecting the referendum result.......
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:30
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An acute case of Faragaohobia, developed upon becoming aware of the damage that the clever Farage fox could do in the labour chicken house where such parasites as the Lord Adonis, a man who has never been elected to public office but instead grows fat upon the preferment of others, flourishes.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:24
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/r...it-conversion/

Newly selected Labour MEP Lord Adonis appears to have had a conversion of biblical proportions over Brexit – the Remainiac-in-chief posted a remarkable statement on Facebook yesterday. Not only did Adonis apologise for previously telling Brexiteers to not vote Labour, he even talks about respecting the referendum result.......
A most distasteful and immoral individual. Another of those unelected, anti-democratic establishment "hangers-on" that has made a living off the back of our taxes.

I'd vote leave time and again purely to deny people like him their gravy train income.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:25
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
An acute case of Faragaohobia, developed upon becoming aware of the damage that the clever Farage fox could do in the labour chicken house where such parasites as the Lord Adonis, a man who has never been elected to public office but instead grows fat upon the preferment of others, flourishes.
only read your post after penning mine. Yours is much better!
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
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And bent bananas was true. St Lucia lost its major market when that happened though I see Waitrose now sell bananas from the Caribbean and Africa and label the countries each bunch comes from. Though when I searched for St Lucian they had sold out.
I thought the St Lucia banana trade collapsed because protectionist measures used by the UK were ruled illegal?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:59
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/r...it-conversion/

Newly selected Labour MEP Lord Adonis appears to have had a conversion of biblical proportions over Brexit – the Remainiac-in-chief posted a remarkable statement on Facebook yesterday. Not only did Adonis apologise for previously telling Brexiteers to not vote Labour, he even talks about respecting the referendum result.......

The guy is an ASS, he should fit in the current Labour party nicely
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 15:04
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It could have been the effects of the recent warm weather...it could have been an overflow from a water treatment plant...or, it could just have been their natural heartfelt racist nature that caused them to emerge......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ammatory-posts
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 16:31
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​​​​​​​So who leaked to the Torygraph? The stupid boy has been quick with a denial. Looks like whoever it was may be up Shit Creek in a barbed wire canoe.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:23
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Yes. We had Marconi, Plessey, Decca and half a dozen other electronics companies who could be leading the world now. Most of them lost due to mismanagement or unwise investments.
Cable and Wireless.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:55
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under_exposed, ruled illegal by the EU in protectionist mode
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 06:04
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Major toys out if the cot row in Labour over their EU election campaign and Brexit message....


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b031dc07ef6b3a

Fury As Corbyn European Elections Leaflet Suggests Labour Backs Brexit
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 06:14
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Having to listen to Boris on the television is one thing....at least there's the option of the mute button available.....but paying to listen to Boris suggests those parting with their money are in need of medical help, Still, a mere £160k will help supplement his pittance as an MP.......and presumably JR-M distributed his champagne to the local food bank....one only hopes it wasn't Cristal he received !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...g-two-speeches
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