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Old 15th Apr 2019, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
Flyingfemme - I note you have had no reply to your well reasoned arguments from KnC. How typical of the self-righteous, sneering, spiteful left-wing today. Doubtless KnC had a nice salary and has an even nicer pension to look forward to. I would like to see how he would like it if his pay was suddenly docked by 40% one month, and then every month thereafter until he spend thousands going to court, to finally have his pay reinstated a year or so down the line, but with no compensation for amounts lost. We can continue this ever escalating war on landlords as a country, but all it will lead to is an even more chronic position for tenants in the future as most decent landlords will sell up rather than put up with this increasingly hostile atmosphere. I am all for protecting good tenants from nasty landlords but there has to be some context. These days there never appears to be any and there are just as many bad tenants as there are bad landlords.
Like many others I've been both a tenant and a landlord during life's various ups and downs. I always found, much to my dismay, that things often seemed to go against me regardless of the position I was in! As a tenant living in a arguably sub-standard property it was always a struggle to ensure the basics were maintained (windows repaired, reliable heating, decent standard of decor / carpets, etc). Basically the letting agent / landlord was as tight as, and just never spent a penny on their rental portfolio - the particular house I am referring to has now been knocked down and replaced by two new builds (when it became uninhabitable I suspect). However, in more recent times, as a occasional landlord some of the reckless destruction of our property by so-called human beings is beyond belief. The "No Dogs" rule was just blatantly ignored - I knew they had a dog because it was chewing my kitchen shelves and I could hear it barking whenever I went round! Had another that basically painted the whole house Black and another who threatened to kill me - for reasons that escape me now!! So I can see definitely both sides.

In terms of the Governments "war on landlords" then I suspect it's two-fold. 1. Private landlords are an easy target for additional revenue, and may have been perceived as having a relatively easy ride until recently, e.g. the 6 month Council Tax "holiday" which has now gone, the 2nd home stamp duty change, etc, etc. 2. The Government has made a massive deal out of their self-inflicted "Housing Crisis" and needs to be seen to be being tough with somebody. They're patently NOT going to get tough with volume developers and neither do they want to stop the influx of foreign investor cash into the Capitals property market, hence let's just pick on the small guy. Nothing new or clever there.

I also suspect there's the usual London or other big city "bias", in that some of the large rental portfolios in our cities are owned by rogue landlords who keep them in a pretty disgusting state and make their (often vulnerable) tenants lives a misery. But quite why punishing the "honest john" landlord in the shires in the same way is of benefit to people whom need somewhere affordable and decent to live, is frankly beyond me.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Some good news.

First, credit to the Tories here albeit Labour also said they would do the same, the infamous "Section 21 " eviction notices from avaricious, arrogant, indifferent parasitic landlords to tenants is to be scrapped.
I used one once, as the quickest and cheapest way to get rid of tenants where
  • the tenants were illegally sub-letting
  • the illegal sub-tenants then went to the council and complained about overcrowding (you couldn't make it up, could you)
  • the council came and looked at the house and said to me "we're prosecuting you for running an HMO without having done yada yada yada ...".
OK so no doubt we could have got rid of them for being in breach of the tenancy agreement, but that would have taken longer and cost more. The section 21 took five months and cost us around £10,000. And throughout those five months the housing standards people kept threatening prosecution although they knew perfectly well that I was doing all I could to rectify the situation as fast as I legally could.

By then the actual tenants had in fact moved out, it was just the illegal sub-tenants, now squatters, left - so no longer overcrowded, and no longer an HMO, but that didn't stop the council continuing to persecute me. Nor did the fact that I was at the time a cabinet member of that same council ... but you will no doubt say quite right too, that shouldn't have stopped them. At least it didn't get into the papers.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 20:13
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they are idiotic. I may be wrong but the majority of landlords have only one property likely a previous or temporarily not used residence. There is zippo protection already from bad tenants certainly not from councils or the courts. I will be evicting my own (perfectly decent) tenant before this goes through to make sure I can get back my own home.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 20:22
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Not only you. Before this becomes law there will be thousands of tenants evicted whilst the landlord can; whether they are good tenants or bad.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
but that didn't stop the council continuing to persecute me
OK, let's be honest here. By this stage the boiler had failed, and the council were telling me I couldn't let a baby live in a house with no heating and no hot water.

I pointed out, of course, that the baby was free to leave any time it liked. It wasn't as if the squatters were paying for the gas, after all.

But also I'd had legal advice not to go near the property in case I got accused of harassing the squatters, which might be used to persuade a court to let them stay. So my reply to the council was "sorry mate, legal advice not to go near the place, so can't do anything about the boiler - but of course I'll get it fixed just as soon as those squatters have gone".
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 04:54
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Originally Posted by flyingfemme View Post
So, K&C, how would you have landlords take care of their own situation as well as their tenants? Renting out a property is not a life sentence, although you would have it as such. The government have moved the goalposts so far that some can no longer afford to run a business that is taxed as a luxury on the owner, not the user.
My own experience of section 21 was on a tenant who “complained” about a bathroom heater not working. When he eventually allowed my electrician in to fix it a non-compliance with current regs was found (the property was built in the 60s) so I elected to have a thorough survey carried out. Result - we decided a full rewire was needed which could not be done properly with a tenant in situ. Sadly I don’t have a stock of empty homes available to move tenants into at will so a section 21 was issued. He left owing two months rent and attempting to perpetrate a fraud on us and the power company (foiled by my letting agent’s records). On gaining possession we found filth that turned my stomach and broken appliances - one washing machine only six months old was unusable by anyone else. Neighbours also reported anti-social behaviour from him and his adult daughter, who should not have been living there. Many months later, after a total renovation I will not be letting it out again on a shorthold tenancy. Most landlords would never turn out a good tenant who paid the rent - it is a business, after all. Local authorities have powers to hold landlords to account in cases of “unfit” accommodation but choose to sit on their fat a$$es and do nothing but moan.
I have also had a local authority collude with a pregnant tenant to leave with no notice and no rent. They provided her with fresh, new accommodation after she had trashed mine. Good riddance, I say.
Your tale of woe......lets start with your own contribution. You say the house did not meet the electrical regs, but, seemingly, this did not concern you until after you had rented the property....which is a bit late really. Surely, as a responsible landlord, the onus was on you to ensure the house was fully compliant in every respect, prior to letting.

Singing the praises of letting agents isn't very wise either. As a sub mutant species, they are in a class of their own when it comes down to pure greed and their extortionate fees and "admin " charges....I know of one that charged a mere £120 for a tenancy renewal agreement for example....however, you say you had bad tenants which I accept can happen, but, from talking to people I know who rent, every 6 months or so, their property gets inspected.....so why didn't the issues you state get brought to your attention sooner rather than later....and no doubt they charged you accordingly for their services. Did they also not check any references re the tenants and did they not bother to check the house complied with the regs, and safety criteria, either ..or was this just a cursory check ?

It appears, that, from your sorry tale you decided to let the property sensing a business opportunity as you say, which was to make money ( fair enough ) but then discovered this wasn't the cash cow you envisaged.


No doubt there are responsible landlords, and equally responsible tenants, but, the intent of the repeal of this infamous bit if legislation is to negate the actions, often malicious when viewed as to why ( and here I suggest you, and others, do some research as the individual in Kent and his notoriety ) they are served in the first place.

There again, sending one to the tenant in Downing St would be nice........ she has, after all,trashed the UK.

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Old 16th Apr 2019, 05:12
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
Flyingfemme - I note you have had no reply to your well reasoned arguments from KnC. How typical of the self-righteous, sneering, spiteful left-wing today. Doubtless KnC had a nice salary and has an even nicer pension to look forward to. I would like to see how he would like it if his pay was suddenly docked by 40% one month, and then every month thereafter until he spend thousands going to court, to finally have his pay reinstated a year or so down the line, but with no compensation for amounts lost. We can continue this ever escalating war on landlords as a country, but all it will lead to is an even more chronic position for tenants in the future as most decent landlords will sell up rather than put up with this increasingly hostile atmosphere. I am all for protecting good tenants from nasty landlords but there has to be some context. These days there never appears to be any and there are just as many bad tenants as there are bad landlords.
First, to save you any more confusion, this post is being sent immediately after my response as you can see.. the delay of which clearly caused you to reach for the smelling salts to assuage your angst. .

Secondly You will be delighted to learn you evidently don't suffer from any visual impairment...

Thirdly, I know, it was terribly inconsiderate to post and then go out for the day without your permission. ...we went to Wem to save you asking, but, that's a side effect of the real world you will be saddened to learn.

Ah, the "nice salary " refrain.......erm, nope, made redundant twice in fact, however, as I've never been materialistic or obsessed with social status and the latest "must have " gizmo's and devices, soopah hols, dressing to impress etc, then I just quietly kept my pittance safe over the years. There again, I never had any aspirations to slither and grovel my way up a greasy pole anyway.

That said, I'm sure my response to FF won't meet with your approval...not that I am actually concerned as to whether it does or doesn't to be honest
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 07:24
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K&C you obviously have had no dealings with “standards” for rental properties. The electrical regs change almost every year and it is simply not possible to do everything they require on a new build to an older property. Nor is it required for owned or rented homes. The property was in no way “substandard” or illegal. I decided that a full rewire was, at that point, the only way to rectify the small problem of the bathroom heater and effect other recommendations (not requirements) from my inspector.
As for agent inspections; you have not dealt with many tenants, have you? This one worked shifts and was never “available” to let the agent in. The room occupied by his (not supposed to be resident) daughter was never allowed to be checked when repairs were made. Even when the heater broke and he demanded it be replaced, it took almost two months to get a workman in because he kept cancelling. This was in mid-winter and he complained that nothing was being done.
Along with many others I had a small portfolio towards my retirement. I managed them myself until I moved out of the country with my main business so “idle rich” is hardly a suitable label. That has changed and several good tenants are now not getting the benefit of a good home at a fair rent. Not my problem.
The UK government talks a good game but never actually does anything to help the housing crisis. A sensible inspection process with sanctions against bad properties and/or bad practice, that doesn’t take an age or cost a fortune would help both sides in this sorry farce. As usual, lots of hot air and some showboating is all you get.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 07:57
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POLITICO:

”.....POLITICO/Hanbury polling from our election battleground clusters shows the Brexit culture war dividing Britain continues to polarize voters. “Leave voters in the East Midlands and North West are moving toward the Tories and away from Labour, while Remain voters in the South East are shifting in the opposite direction,” my colleague Tom McTague reports. “As things stand, it will be very difficult for either party to appeal to both Leave and Remain-voting marginals at the same time, opening up the prospect of either a continuing stalemate or sweeping changes to the electoral map as voters base their allegiances less on traditional party loyalties.”......
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 08:19
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What will happen in the Parish and District elections? Will the sitting Labour and Tory councillors get the kicking deserved by Westminster MPs?

Do party alignments really make a difference in the locals?

I ask as I got my first canvassing leaflet yesterday with two, long serving parish councillors. I know a friend, also standing for her first election having been previously copted. I am inclined to vote against professionals as neither are local to our village.😀

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Old 16th Apr 2019, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
What will happen in the Parish and District elections? Will the sitting Labour and Tory councillors get the kicking deserved by Westminster MPs?

Do party alignments really make a difference in the locals?

I ask as I got my first canvassing leaflet yesterday with two, long serving parish councillors. I know a friend, also standing for her first election having been previously copted. I am inclined to vote against professionals as neither are local to our village.😀
In local elections I always give my vote to the candidates that actually live in the locality, and have been brought up in the area. Given that most local Councillors do the job because they enjoy committee meetings, and endlessly chewing the fat none of them are that greater catch, but at least there's a chance, if only a small one that if they are local, they might just understand local issues, and act in the interests of local people rather than the machine of the party under who's banner they are standing - I can always live in hope!
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 11:22
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Originally Posted by ShotOne
; buoyant economy, record employment,
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Kind of suggests we should stay in the EU.
Eurozone Economic Outlook, March 26, 2019:
"Comprehensive data confirmed that the economy stuttered again in Q4 2018, with growth barely picking up after the Q3’s weak performance. Downbeat sentiment, troubles in the manufacturing sector and the unwinding of inventories weighed on the domestic economy. While the economic backdrop remains somber in 2019 ... recent signs have emerged of a tentative stabilization."

Eurozone Unemployment improving -- from 10.0% to 9.1%.

UK Economic Forecast, March 26, 2019
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The economy appears to have grown meagerly in Q1 against a backdrop of heightened Brexit uncertainty, with the services and manufacturing PMIs hovering only slightly in expansionary territory in the first two months of the year amid soft new orders. More positively, in the three months to January employment surged, the unemployment rate dipped, and wage growth remained at a multi-year high. The strong labor market should have supported private consumption in Q1, as suggested by healthy retail sales growth in January and February."

UK Unemployment improving -- from 4.9% to 4.4%.

"Kind of suggests we should stay in the EU"?? And be dragged down by it? Please explain?
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post

"Kind of suggests we should stay in the EU"?? And be dragged down by it? Please explain?
My explanation and it doesn't make me a bad person.

1. This is Jet Blast. Hardly Hansard.
2. Brexit is about beliefs.
3. Some people believe Brexit will be great.
4. Some people believe it will be bad.
5. No one is able to predict points 3 or 4 with any certainty.
6. I tend to go with point 4.
7. I could be wrong.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 12:57
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Excellent post!! More like that are needed!
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 15:28
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+1. The trouble with this debate is the spurious certainty imparted by all sides to their own opinion. However this ends up, most people aren’t going to get exactly what they want.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 17:43
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KnC - I fear I may have jumped the gun by not waiting long enough for your response to FF. i trust you will graciously accept my apology.

The reply was well worth the wait though, as when it came it was just as ill-informed and petulant as the first.

if you have never been involved in the PRS like myself and FF, your assertions are mostly without basis. It would be like me forming opinions on the teaching sector or those in the NHS and posting my high-handed pontifications here. Or indeed many of the “experts” who appear on here in the aftermath of a crash, all offering their learned analysis.

From the comfort of your armchair it may appear that life in the lettings industry is black and white, but I can assure you that there are many many shades of grey.

That aside, I hope you had a good day out in Wem yesterday and have more planned for when the weather improves later in the week.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 18:54
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Expansion on the Hanbury poll above....

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...xclusive-poll/
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 06:00
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ator-70zmb6jjc

Brexit deal: Only Farage can save us from this mess, says EU chief

Nigel Farage is “the only thing that can save” the European Union from being “poisoned” by a never-ending Brexit, Guy Verhofstadt has warned.

The European Parliament’s Brexit chief, a passionate supporter of a United States of Europe, attacked EU leaders yesterday for allowing Britain to delay Brexit at a summit last week. Mr Verhofstadt echoed arguments against a Brexit extension made by President Macron, who is the most powerful ally of the MEP’s liberal bloc in next month’s EU elections.

“I fear that it will continue the uncertainty. I fear that it will prolong the indecision,” he told the parliament in Strasbourg. “I fear most of all that it will import the Brexit mess into the EU. And moreover that it will poison the upcoming European election.”.....

Mr Tusk hinted that Brexit could be delayed beyond the October 31 deadline and that new British MEPs might be in Brussels to stay after elections next month. “One of the consequences of our decision is that the UK will hold European elections next month,” he said. “We should approach this seriously as UK members of the European Parliament will be there for several months — maybe longer.”

Mr Verhofstadt responded by saying the decision by European leaders to allow Britain to stay in the EU had taken the pressure off cross-party talks between Conservatives and Labour to find a deal. “The pressure to come to a cross-party agreement disappears and is weaker in the last days,” he said. “Both parties will run down the clock and the proof of this is that the first decision the House of Commons took after your decision was to go on holiday.”

The former Belgian prime minister went on to hope that Mr Farage and his new Brexit Party would inflict a defeat on the Conservatives and Labour, prompting them to find a compromise to ratify the withdrawal treaty. “The only thing that can save us is Nigel Farage,” he said. “He is already campaigning, rallying with the Brexit Party, and Labour and the Conservatives risk getting wiped out in the EU elections.”......

Mr Tusk criticised Mr Verhofstadt for his comments, which he noted were “heartily and energetically applauded” by Mr Farage. “This is a good enough reason for you to deeply rethink and reformulate your argumentation,” he said.

He admitted to being among those EU leaders who hoped Britain would cancel Brexit during the extension with a thinly veiled reference to clashes at last week’s summit with President Macron. “During the European Council one of the leaders warned us not to be dreamers and that we shouldn’t think that Brexit could be reversed,” Mr Tusk said. “I would like to say at this rather difficult moment in our history, we need the dreamers and dreams.”

Mr Verhofstadt disagreed and said that Brexit remained “the decision of the British people”.

“My fear is the [delay] could risk killing Europe. At least bogging it down for years putting our energy into negotiations with British leaders like Mr Corbyn or [Boris] Johnson who in their hearts despise Europe.”










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Old 17th Apr 2019, 06:25
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Assuming a landlord is a nice person who merely aims to ask a tenant to leave at the end of a tenancy agreement is this still possible? Does this new law give tenants legally approved squatting rights and make it impossible for law abiding landlords to ask tenants to leave?
Spoke to a letting agent yesterday as I am about to enter the fray of landlords and tenants. New rental agreements are being drafted with some urgency by agents legal advisers to cover the blanks left by the withdrawal of Section 21. Of little comfort for landlords with problems with existing tenants but some hope for new agreements and renewals.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 07:35
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Nigel Farage is “the only thing that can save” the European Union from being “poisoned” by a never-ending Brexit, Guy Verhofstadt has warned.
Verhofstadt likes the sound of his own voice, rather like Farage, and again rather like our Nige believes he carries more weight than he probably does. The Main players from the EU side are Juncker and Tusk, and it is they I'm inclined to listen to, rather then the petulant tones of Verhofstadt.
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