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Old 14th Apr 2019, 13:06
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The Forlorn Hope predates WWI, being the frontal assault of ground troops against a breach in the walls or fortifications. Certain death was the almost inevitable consequence for the front liners who achieved fame and glory in their regiments. It was also a way for condemned men, confirmed cowards and other such poor human dross to atone for their sins and win their spurs at the same time as their halos.
Not one of todays offaly drossy parliamentarians in the great rabble that rules the British Isles would be worth a fig, a fart or a farthing in such company.

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Old 14th Apr 2019, 13:59
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Chances are that The Brexit Party will sweep up much of the Tory extreme "no deal" voters, whilst Labour will lose much of their remain voter base to Change UK and the LibDems.. This will lead to an interesting result in the EU elections this May.
"Remain" vote evenly split between LibDem, Green and TIG, with the result that together they win a grand total of 0 seats. (Most Labour voters who are in favour of "remain" aren't "remain voters", they're "Labour voters", and they'll vote Labour.)
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 18:06
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EU Election

Hammond says no one wants to fight the EU Election, clearly because of the expense of canvassing, polling etc, and presumably because any UK elected MEP s would only sit for 4 months.

Is he right?

Whose's call is it to hold the elections?

I imagine he doesn't want an election as he knows the consequences for the Tories, OTOH I am sure the Brexit Party would like to go ahead, that being the case the main parties cannot afford not to field candidates.

What is the latest date they can afford to wait before the starting gun?
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:04
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Hammond says no one wants to fight the EU Election, clearly because of the expense of canvassing, polling etc, and presumably because any UK elected MEP s would only sit for 4 months.

Is he right?

Whose's call is it to hold the elections?

I imagine he doesn't want an election as he knows the consequences for the Tories, OTOH I am sure the Brexit Party would like to go ahead, that being the case the main parties cannot afford not to field candidates.

What is the latest date they can afford to wait before the starting gun?
And does anyone care any more?
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And does anyone care any more?
Well yes, will I have a job?
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And does anyone care any more?
A most curious comment from a leading proponent, on this forum at least, of remaining in the EU.
In my view it seems likely that A50 will eventually be revoked I'd think it essential that UK takes its place at the table. I guess SallyAnn doesn't believe in democracy?
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Hammond says no one wants to fight the EU Election, clearly because of the expense of canvassing, polling etc, and presumably because any UK elected MEP s would only sit for 4 months.

Is he right?

Whose's call is it to hold the elections?

I imagine he doesn't want an election as he knows the consequences for the Tories, OTOH I am sure the Brexit Party would like to go ahead, that being the case the main parties cannot afford not to field candidates.

What is the latest date they can afford to wait before the starting gun?
(1) He's wrong.

(2) The elections get held unless something happens to stop them. Nothing has yet. So it's nobody's call to make them happen, but it would have to be somebody's call to stop them.

(3) I personally don't mind the #brexit vote being split (between Tory, Labour, UKIP and Brexit parties). But sadly it looks as if the remain vote is going to be just as split.

(4) The EU elections are, as things are, going ahead. They would, however, no doubt be stopped if we were to leave the EU before May 23. Which can only be done with a deal (if there's no deal we leave on October 31, in both cases, obviously, if we don't #RevokeA50). There is currently no sign of any deal, but if I knew the answer to that I wouldn't be here, I'd be down the bookies'.

Personally I am in favour of the EU elections, you might call it "keeping hold of control". What I'm against, for the reasons you give (it'll cost me thousands of pounds and hundreds of hours' work) is a third referendum - let's just #RevokeA50 and get back to real life FFS.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:41
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Thank you. As I said "I imagine he doesn't want an election as he knows the consequences" he would say that would say that wouldn't be.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:59
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Meanwhile, back in the world of reality, the evil empire, known as the EU, had won the war. While it began serious construction of its military wing, the empire continued financial and political mopping up operations against its recalcitrant British partner. The process of vassalage of the one state that could have successfully destroyed the triumvirate hegemony based in Brussels was now nearly compete. It only remained for sufficient time to be allowed to manipulate the British press and the British people into a position from where they would find themselves inextricably linked with this seemingly benign form of government. To this end, the junta in Brussels had decided that a decade of Marxist rule would be a salutary lesson in the consequences of rebellion. Aided by the Scottish Nationalist Party, itself dedicated to the overthrow of the Westminster government, Brussels found it no difficult task at all to engineer a communist revival amongst the traditionally financially inept British public. The scene was set for a decade of financial ruin to be levied upon the fifth largest economy in the world at the end of which ten year period the plan would call for the total reabsorption of Britain into the EU fold, by military persuasion if necessary, once the Euro Army had been fully developed.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 20:40
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
The scene was set for a decade of financial ruin to be levied upon the fifth largest economy in the world at the end of which ten year period the plan would call for the total reabsorption of Britain into the EU fold, by military persuasion if necessary, once the Euro Army had been fully developed.
That's one approach, yes. Of course by then we'll be the 105th largest economy, not the 5th, and I don't think we'll get a very good rate for the £ when all our assets are converted into euros.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
A most curious comment from a leading proponent, on this forum at least, of remaining in the EU.
In my view it seems likely that A50 will eventually be revoked I'd think it essential that UK takes its place at the table. I guess SallyAnn doesn't believe in democracy?
If you'd care to check back to the time of the referendum you would see that I accepted the result there and then.

My last post was simply an expression of frustration at our lack of governmental direction

How you view those statements is of no significance or of any interest to me.

And yes I have consumed an excellent bottle of cotes de rhone.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 06:39
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An occasional series of non Brexit politics ( cont'd )......

Some good news.

First, credit to the Tories here albeit Labour also said they would do the same, the infamous "Section 21 " eviction notices from avaricious, arrogant, indifferent parasitic landlords to tenants is to be scrapped. For those unaware, this bit of legislation allowed the vermin involved to simply evict a tenant for no reason but in many cases was used against people who complained about such trivia as leaking roofs, noncompliance with gas safety regs or electrical faults. A certain corpulent slob in Kent had a notoriety for using this on tenants he didn't like.

More good news.....UKIP are unable to explain how they spent some £300k on political data gathering both for the referendum and the 2015 GE...UKIP at that time had (prop. N.Farage ) after said initials....also mentioned, one Mr Banks ...what a surprise !.

Full details of the above available on JB's favourite newspaper website ......normal service providing links will be resumed once ones new mouse has been acquired.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 06:48
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I agree that the new eviction policy is a good thing. I just have one question though and figured someone on here might know the details.

Assuming a landlord is a nice person who merely aims to ask a tenant to leave at the end of a tenancy agreement is this still possible? Does this new law give tenants legally approved squatting rights and make it impossible for law abiding landlords to ask tenants to leave?

I don't currently own any rental properties but I have in the past. Iím just curious how this would have played out when it was time to sell the property or, letís say, I wanted to change my tenants.

FWIW I think the current system whereby rich folk buy up all the cheap properties and rent them to poor folk is broken. Governments various have failed to regulate it and now it may be beyond repair. Thatís just the private residential rental market.

Witness anyone who lives in a nice part of the country where villages are gutted by holiday rentals and youíll know what I mean.

Elterwater in the Lake District is a great example. The last time I walked around there, every singe house I could see, without exception, had a rental company badge on the front. The shop, cafe and pub will be closed soon and there goes the idyllic country life that people want to visit.

Makes my blood boil.

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Old 15th Apr 2019, 07:27
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BV, one reason why we went cold on buying in an urbanisation in Spain. The permanent residential loved it but the empty streets out of season were just miserable.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I agree that the new eviction policy is a good thing. I just have one question though and figured someone on here might know the details.

Assuming a landlord is a nice person who merely aims to ask a tenant to leave at the end of a tenancy agreement is this still possible? Does this new law give tenants legally approved squatting rights and make it impossible for law abiding landlords to ask tenants to leave?

I don't currently own any rental properties but I have in the past. Iím just curious how this would have played out when it was time to sell the property or, letís say, I wanted to change my tenants.

FWIW I think the current system whereby rich folk buy up all the cheap properties and rent them to poor folk is broken. Governments various have failed to regulate it and now it may be beyond repair. Thatís just the private residential rental market.

Witness anyone who lives in a nice part of the country where villages are gutted by holiday rentals and youíll know what I mean.

Elterwater in the Lake District is a great example. The last time I walked around there, every singe house I could see, without exception, had a rental company badge on the front. The shop, cafe and pub will be closed soon and there goes the idyllic country life that people want to visit.

Makes my blood boil.

BV
BV....can I suggest please, that, you read the article in the Guardian, or on the BBC, both, understandably, cover the decision in some depth as your query will be answered.

As for the "two weeks a year " second home brigade and / or rental properties in the Lakes, Cornwall, and just about every tourist destination in the UK, the damage and detrimental effects to the local population and the economies have long been areas of concern as the lack of housing, and prices, literally forces people to move away from their families . No political party has ever acted to negate this appalling state of affairs....which is another indictment of flawed UK politics.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 08:39
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So, K&C, how would you have landlords take care of their own situation as well as their tenants? Renting out a property is not a life sentence, although you would have it as such. The government have moved the goalposts so far that some can no longer afford to run a business that is taxed as a luxury on the owner, not the user.
My own experience of section 21 was on a tenant who “complained” about a bathroom heater not working. When he eventually allowed my electrician in to fix it a non-compliance with current regs was found (the property was built in the 60s) so I elected to have a thorough survey carried out. Result - we decided a full rewire was needed which could not be done properly with a tenant in situ. Sadly I don’t have a stock of empty homes available to move tenants into at will so a section 21 was issued. He left owing two months rent and attempting to perpetrate a fraud on us and the power company (foiled by my letting agent’s records). On gaining possession we found filth that turned my stomach and broken appliances - one washing machine only six months old was unusable by anyone else. Neighbours also reported anti-social behaviour from him and his adult daughter, who should not have been living there. Many months later, after a total renovation I will not be letting it out again on a shorthold tenancy. Most landlords would never turn out a good tenant who paid the rent - it is a business, after all. Local authorities have powers to hold landlords to account in cases of “unfit” accommodation but choose to sit on their fat a$$es and do nothing but moan.
I have also had a local authority collude with a pregnant tenant to leave with no notice and no rent. They provided her with fresh, new accommodation after she had trashed mine. Good riddance, I say.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 11:18
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So Mr Hunt says leavign Eu before euro elections is an absolute priority-well thay have come and gone but why is that the absolute priority as opposed toa second public vote or a clealry agreed eeal-these people ahve completely and utterly lost the plot and I suspect the real reason is the tories will be wiped out by the new nazi party or whatver farage and UKIP come under and a huge Reamin bloc .

shame on all of them for dividing our country- and making us the but of jokes around the world.

Mind you there are some blind as cannot see, I posted a week ago that we were the Venezuala of Europe (not we were Venezuala) and some fire brainless Brexiteer made some very unkind comments overlooking the facts
What country in Latin Aemrica is bitterly divided after an election, has a non functioning government and concerns all the relatively stable latam democracies
Answer Venezuela

Ask the same question about Europe and you get UK, at the moment and on our standards it is a crisis and a terrible diversion, our Civil war was fought over less
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 14:12
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Iím not overjoyed at the Brexit situation either, pax but by any reasoned yardstick; buoyant economy, record employment, comparing us with Venezuela where millions living without basic needs is total nonsense. Brainless you might even say.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 14:33
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; buoyant economy, record employment,
Kind of suggests we should stay in the EU.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by flyingfemme View Post
So, K&C, how would you have landlords take care of their own situation as well as their tenants? Renting out a property is not a life sentence, although you would have it as such. The government have moved the goalposts so far that some can no longer afford to run a business that is taxed as a luxury on the owner, not the user.
My own experience of section 21 was on a tenant who “complained” about a bathroom heater not working. When he eventually allowed my electrician in to fix it a non-compliance with current regs was found (the property was built in the 60s) so I elected to have a thorough survey carried out. Result - we decided a full rewire was needed which could not be done properly with a tenant in situ. Sadly I don’t have a stock of empty homes available to move tenants into at will so a section 21 was issued. He left owing two months rent and attempting to perpetrate a fraud on us and the power company (foiled by my letting agent’s records). On gaining possession we found filth that turned my stomach and broken appliances - one washing machine only six months old was unusable by anyone else. Neighbours also reported anti-social behaviour from him and his adult daughter, who should not have been living there. Many months later, after a total renovation I will not be letting it out again on a shorthold tenancy. Most landlords would never turn out a good tenant who paid the rent - it is a business, after all. Local authorities have powers to hold landlords to account in cases of “unfit” accommodation but choose to sit on their fat a$$es and do nothing but moan.
I have also had a local authority collude with a pregnant tenant to leave with no notice and no rent. They provided her with fresh, new accommodation after she had trashed mine. Good riddance, I say.

Flyingfemme - I note you have had no reply to your well reasoned arguments from KnC. How typical of the self-righteous, sneering, spiteful left-wing today. Doubtless KnC had a nice salary and has an even nicer pension to look forward to. I would like to see how he would like it if his pay was suddenly docked by 40% one month, and then every month thereafter until he spend thousands going to court, to finally have his pay reinstated a year or so down the line, but with no compensation for amounts lost. We can continue this ever escalating war on landlords as a country, but all it will lead to is an even more chronic position for tenants in the future as most decent landlords will sell up rather than put up with this increasingly hostile atmosphere. I am all for protecting good tenants from nasty landlords but there has to be some context. These days there never appears to be any and there are just as many bad tenants as there are bad landlords.

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