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Old 13th Apr 2019, 11:47
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Threatening to "put the fear of God" into our elected representatives is a very good idea right now.

And when elections for MEPs come around, there can be only two logical national parties to vote for: Leavers the Brexit Party and Remainers the LibDums. The results of that should 'put the fear of God' into the 600+ in the Commons that such a result having a 'knock on' to their next elections should mean many, many of them being fearful of being deprived of their cushy incomes.

For those of you favouring hung parliaments and coalitions: think about how this left the Belgians 'without a government' for over 500 days not that long ago.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 12:10
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Threatening to "put the fear of God" into our elected representatives is a very good idea right now.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 12:19
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Noel, I take your point but Wiggy is quite right and some people might see it as encouraging more robust action.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 12:43
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GtW and 20% of Nelson's crews were Irish
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 12:50
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Krystal n chips wrote: [color=left=#000000]Oh dear, you appear to be suffering from an outbreak of semanticitus.......how do you feel about these we wonder ?
He then attempted some anagrams.
Sorry but semanticitus is not a word.
He then uses the royal 'we' in his question. I hope he isn't a sufferer of schizophrenia.
Gertrude the Wombat used gentle humour in his reply to my post.
Perhaps, on mature reflection, you might emulate his style when wishing to score points online.[/color]
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Noel, I take your point but Wiggy is quite right and some people might see it as encouraging more robust action.
True. I am more used to mixing with generally law-abiding people so I hadn't viewed this in that criminal way.

Let's reword that then: "put the electoral fear of God" into our elected representatives. Seeing many of them in the dole queues would be a shock to them and a delight to huge swathes of the electorate!
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:38
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And don't forget that a third of Wellington's army was Irish.
And also don't forget that Wellington was Irish!
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:46
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And also don't forget that Wellington was Irish!
True, but from a different social class - he wasn't a starving peasant forced to join the enemy's army in order to be able to eat.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:47
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Oh dear!!!
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 13:56
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What's needed is a reform of the absurd first past the post electoral system where the biggest minority wins the election. In effect the government is formed by the party which most British people voted against.
It worked just fine when it was just the Whigs and Torys. But it's increasingly archaic.

As for Farage's new party well wouldn't it be ironic if it took all the leave voters from the Torys and propelled in a Labour government led by Comrade Corbyn. Oh the delicious irony of that.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 14:41
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As for Farage's new party well wouldn't it be ironic if it took all the leave voters from the Torys and propelled in a Labour government led by Comrade Corbyn. Oh the delicious irony of that.
However as Corbyn is just as much a leaver it wouldn't make any actual, like, difference, to anything that mattered.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
True, but from a different social class - he wasn't a starving peasant forced to join the enemy's army in order to be able to eat.
Old English I believe.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 19:36
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And also don't forget that Wellington was Irish!
So being born in Ireland forever makes you Irish even if you don't want to be. Interesting.

Then why is Boris not known as Boris "The American" ? Or was Paddy Ashdown not known as Paddy "The Indian"
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 19:56
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A third of Wellikington's army might have been Irish, which country's inhabitants have always had problems with spelling and sobriety, but the bit of The Beau's army wot won the battle of Waterloo was Prussian-and make no mistake about that!
Find this funny as Lager Lout came about how again ? Going to Ayia Napa or any of the other areas around Europe who are more likely to be in trouble.

As for Irish in Wellingtons army this came about because of Act of Union where London bribed Irish MPs to eliminate the Irish Parliment and units joined enmass, there were of course No Catholic MPs allowed to be elected from Ireland.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 20:22
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Interesting sideline into the motivations of the Irish re the empire. In fact being Irish I agree that many Irish very much bought into the empire and like the Scots, Welsh and English. Hardly surprising. Of course nowdays the narrative is that we were a colony too. Indeed it's an article of faith that Irish peacekeeping troops are welcomed because we had no history of colonialism. Ignoring the reality that for the most part no one has heard of Ireland and no one really knows the history that we were in fact enthusiastic colonists. Not even the Irish. Least of all the English.
But every country invents its own myths. We're all guilty of that.

Then we have the likes cavorting cheetah who trots out the old drunken ignorant Irish cliche. Racism by any other name.

To be fair he probably thinks the Scots are same and the Welsh. Equal opportunity bigot.

It's sad really.


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Old 13th Apr 2019, 21:47
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Something in the region of 55 million Americans claim Irish ancestry. Explains it all really.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 06:34
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Thunked through politics......

In the days before Brexit, some may recall this era ?.....Treeza came up with a soopah brill pan to unite the nation otherwise known as the Festival of Britain (V.2 ) and a mere £120m was allocated for garden fetes, other Pimm's swilling events and the non participation of the peasantry less the tone be lowered. As was mentioned at the time, Treeza wouldn't actually be around and in charge....although knowing her, there's the very real danger she will be.

This event was planned for..2022 and included N.I. ...which is where the thunkied through comes in.

It's the centenary year of a certain event that happened and which caused "one or two little problems " at the time and subsequently.

Timing is everything as they say.......
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 10:28
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Dear Steepcllimb,
Thinking the same of everyone in an egalitarian sort of way? Not at all.
Not the Welsh, too busy. having a sing along as they held off the ravaging hordes on a hot summer day in 1879. Definitely the English though and probably anyone else who was in the 'British' army.
To be fair, the Irish have produced better uses for river water than many nations even if the Toucan is long forgotten. So there's a useful accolade for the merry Dubliners to toast.
As for me being a racist bigot, well yes, you're probably correct. Who cannot be construed as such these days in one way or another. What you didn't know, up until now of course, is that as the proud vein holder of Polynesian blood, it's arguable in Harlem NYC that it's impossible for me to be either racist or bigoted. I'll leave that for you to decipher, with a saucy wink too.
As for the alcohol and the Irish, I'll conclude by saying that anyone who comprised The Forlorn Hope, that instrument of frontal assault so beloved of the perfidious English and their aristocratic butcher officers, deserved to be as drunk as they could be before they staggered their way to almost inevitable death and that, at such a young age too as would make a drummer boy blush.
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My grenade first please.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 12:54
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As for Farage's new party well wouldn't it be ironic if it took all the leave voters from the Torys and propelled in a Labour government led by Comrade Corbyn. Oh the delicious irony of that
Chances are that The Brexit Party will sweep up much of the Tory extreme "no deal" voters, whilst Labour will lose much of their remain voter base to Change UK and the LibDems.. This will lead to an interesting result in the EU elections this May.

If the same patterns were followed in the next General election, which if that were to take place before we've ended transition would be quite likely, the result could be less "exciting" as the votes for the minority parties would be largely wasted, with the result that either Labour or Tory would gain power with an absolutely absurdly small percentage of the popular vote. This could in turn lead to a greater clamour for a proportional system, which would be ignored by whichever of the "old firm" had got the reins of power - because once again the first past the post system will again have worked in their favour.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 12:55
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The Forlorn Hope, that instrument of frontal assault so beloved of the perfidious English and their aristocratic butcher officers, deserved to be as drunk as they could be before they staggered their way to almost inevitable death and that, at such a young age too as would make a drummer boy blush.
Actually the figures for the First World War do not back up that theory.

From the BBC.........

Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured.
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