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Old 28th Nov 2018, 12:59
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Phil Hammond found himslef the target of an urgent question in the Commons today, with a number of MPs asking why it was he could find the time to do the rounds of the TV and Radio stations to promote something (God knows what, after listening to him on Radio 4) but could not find the time to attend the House to face the question.
'Cos he's a toad! Is the answer the House struggled to get to.
As for Mr Dyson; can't stand the man for the same reasons as those listed above. One question about his products though: I am aware of D.C. and A.C. motors but what exactly is a 'Digital Motor'? Does the 'Digital' bit mean it goes around when poked with a finger?
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 13:09
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Phil Hammond found himslef the target of an urgent question in the Commons today, with a number of MPs asking why it was he could find the time to do the rounds of the TV and Radio stations to promote something (God knows what, after listening to him on Radio 4) but could not find the time to attend the House to face the question.
'Cos he's a toad! Is the answer the House struggled to get to.
As it was PMQs today, I don't imagine that he'd have got to say a great deal - just sit there nodding as the whole front bench does - they look like those articulated dogs that used to populate the parcels shelves of Ford Anglias in the 1960s and 70s!!
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 13:33
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But don't worry. The treasury projections are just "Project Fear 2" so even if we don't get a 2nd referendum, and HMG decides to go for the nuclear (no deal) option it'll be alright on the night.
Question of the day was from David Davis - "Does he (Stride) know of any economic forecast that has got the figures right."

Answer from Stride - "No"
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 13:41
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 13:50
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Seems like a rerun of June 2016. Emergency Budget on 30th March, anybody?
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Seems like a rerun of June 2016. Emergency Budget on 30th March, anybody?
Indeed, because whatever the spin put on the government / BoE forecasts before the 2016 referendum, they were intended to be the consequences of leaving the EU, which for the umpteenth time we have not yet done. If, by some miracle MPs have a brain transplant and realise that their jobs are to put country ahead of party and petty politicing and run with May's deal the damage could be limited, and perhaps there may even be no damage at all.

That there would be damage to the economy and the financial good of the mass of the population caused by a no deal exit is (apart from stick in the mud extreme Brexiteers) beyond question. That's why JR-M, and his mates have taken steps to negate the potential effects on their own personal wealth.

Note that sterling has had something of a rebound this afternoon (not much, but every little helps), not because of the wonderful forecasts from HMG, but because the shadow chancellor has said that if Labour can't get a GE, they will go for a new referendum - what does that tell you from a business and industry prospect of no deal and it's effect. That the ordinary working man and woman can seriously support a no deal Brexit when the numbers are staring them in the face beggars belief. With most of the popular, normally Tory supporting press falling in behind Mrs. May on her plan, the message may perhaps begin to hit home and it will be harder for the "project fear 2" message to gain traction.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 14:11
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That the ordinary working man and woman can seriously support a no deal Brexit when the numbers are staring them in the face beggars belief.
Yeahbut you're talking about "facts". Wot you really should have realised by now, for heaven's sake, is that brexiteers don't do "facts".
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 14:45
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Yeahbut you're talking about "facts". Wot you really should have realised by now, for heaven's sake, is that brexiteers don't do "facts".
Could you perhaps go a bit easy on the Insults?, it's been relentless since the vote
there have been lies on both sides, they continue, but the constant insults towards those that have a different view is not only petty and childish, but getting very very old
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:20
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Now there's a real revelation ! ..in the midst of all the confusion, it emerges that....Treeza has a shopping list !...mind you it doesn't say anything about her popping out to Lidl or Aldi or any other such outlet......perish the thought she might have to queue like everybody else.....

The rest of the report only confirms what we already know.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rbyn-tells-may
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:23
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Note that sterling has had something of a rebound this afternoon (not much, but every little helps), not because of the wonderful forecasts from HMG, but because the shadow chancellor has said that if Labour can't get a GE, they will go for a new referendum - what does that tell you from a business and industry prospect of no deal and it's effect. That the ordinary working man and woman can seriously support a no deal Brexit when the numbers are staring them in the face beggars belief. With most of the popular, normally Tory supporting press falling in behind Mrs. May on her plan, the message may perhaps begin to hit home and it will be harder for the "project fear 2" message to gain traction.
UK has boxed themselves into a corner where it loses either way...... exit and economically it will take a hit, revote and stay in and be a laughing stock of the world. Tory little Englanders have done more damage to their country than they realise.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:26
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......Tory little Englanders have done more damage to their country than they realise.
If only the 17.4 million people that voted to leave the EU had voted for their Conservative Party candidate at the last general election.

So in reality you should add 'Labour little Englanders (and Wales-ers too while you're at it) to that comment.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:34
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UK has boxed themselves into a corner where it loses either way...... exit and economically it will take a hit, revote and stay in and be a laughing stock of the world. Tory little Englanders have done more damage to their country than they realise.
But not just Tories, there is a cohort of Labour voters who were involved too. I would suggest that the majority of little Englanders are Tory, the "stop immigration - they're nicking our jobs" faction were probably more Labour, and most likely spending their days in front of Jeremy Kyle adamant they'd work, but not in the jobs that the migrants are taking!!

I don't believe that we'd be a laughing stock in the eyes of the world were we to vote again, and reverse the decision. In the light of new information, anything is possible. The Irish and the Danes aren't a laughing stock, and they revisited the same question. I don't believe there is a guarantee that a new vote would reverse the 2016 outcome, though through their reluctance to countenance one, Brexiteers fairly obviously believe there is.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:46
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So over a hundred Tories are going to vote against as well Labour and the DUP, SNP and Greens.

Dead as a Dodo, even in the most optimistic of circumstances she is still going to lose by a huge margin. Tories lose either way... they are well and truly shafted, but more importantly in the long run they may well never recover from this.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:57
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So over a hundred Tories are going to vote against as well Labour and the DUP, SNP and Greens.

Dead as a Dodo, even in the most optimistic of circumstances she is still going to lose by a huge margin. Tories lose either way... they are well and truly shafted, but more importantly in the long run they may well never recover from this.
I believe they may well be, splitting into two parties, a centrist one and and right wing populist one is a distinct possibility; which somewhat worryingly leaves us for a while with Labour, lead by a bunch of left wingers as the governing party, given our cockeyed electoral system - nearly as unappetising as Brexit.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 16:57
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Laughing stock is a given. May as well accept it. Gammon can't be unroasted so that cohort is lost & frankly can go f**k themselves anyway, since you could show them their first born being thrown in the sea & they still would have voted for it. There is no pleasure to be taken from pointing out millions were duped by easy promises from career politicians & bankrolled by people in remarkably cosy relationships with well placed Russians.

Were I a leaver & a patriot, I would be asking myself serious questions about where to go from here, as day by day the rancid truth of this is revealed rather than whining on about some nebulous notion of sovereignty that hitherto never once hindered my fifty years of life or worse, the will of the people.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 17:04
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So over a hundred Tories are going to vote against as well Labour and the DUP, SNP and Greens.

Dead as a Dodo, even in the most optimistic of circumstances she is still going to lose by a huge margin. Tories lose either way... they are well and truly shafted, but more importantly in the long run they may well never recover from this.
As I may have mentioned before......hope springs eternal here.....time to start honing the pitchforks chaps !
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 17:35
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So over a hundred Tories are going to vote against as well Labour and the DUP, SNP and Greens.
If we're lucky.

More likely, it seems to me, is that Corbyn will in due course realise that a defeat of May's "deal" could risk losing his beloved #brexit altogether, at which point he'll whip Labour to vote for it, or at least abstain. Sure there will then be Labour rebels, but not enough - dozens not hundreds.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 18:00
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I believe they may well be, splitting into two parties, a centrist one and and right wing populist one is a distinct possibility; which somewhat worryingly leaves us for a while with Labour, lead by a bunch of left wingers as the governing party, given our cockeyed electoral system - nearly as unappetising as Brexit.
Your quote about a 'bunch of left wingers' is such an old fashioned Daily Mail cliche.

People have as much reason to believe in those policies as do a bunch of right wingers. Some people have become brain washed (or is it brain dead I wonder) that others with leftist views are the bogymen trying to bring in a Communist State.

There are many reasons to dislike the Labour Party and an equal number to dislike the Conservatives.

I am far more worried about the after effects of Brexit to our country than I am of a Labour government.
Who was it who initiated this fiasco - oh yes David Cameron who was sh1t scared of UKIP and his right wing who took us into a referendum with zero planning and zero strategic thinking.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
If we're lucky.

More likely, it seems to me, is that Corbyn will in due course realise that a defeat of May's "deal" could risk losing his beloved #brexit altogether, at which point he'll whip Labour to vote for it, or at least abstain. Sure there will then be Labour rebels, but not enough - dozens not hundreds.
Dunno about that... Labour sense blood... they know by being hazy about their position (which they have played well so far) they can push the Tories until breaking point. Personally I think they will vote against - May will have to resign (if she doesn't the Tories go from rock bottom to extinction) - and try to force a no confidence vote - failing that a second referendum - with the Tories rudderless... and then man the torpedo tubes.

Corbyn knows (and I think McDonnell is the power behind the throne here and he certainly won't desire it) that voting for May in effect "enables" the Tories.. but more to the point he has already stated this deal is utter crap... a turnaround would be inconceivable for that and many, many reasons I think.

No, Tories are sinking fast and no lifeboats coming to the rescue methinks.

I can't help but gloat about their fate... terrible I know
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 18:22
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Corbyn knows (and I think McDonnell is the power behind the throne here and he certainly won't desire it) that voting for May in effect "enables" the Tories..
So one would think, but then he's been doing just that for two years, otherwise he'd hardly be languishing behind the worst government of modern times ... all very puzzling.
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