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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 10:26
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Those who are familiar with my posts will know my thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn. However this video of soldiers using a picture of him for target practice is disgraceful. Coming as it does at a time of high emotions and potential attacks on MP's it is especially bad. Those involved are easily identifiable and in my opinion should be drummed out of the British Army.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 10:32
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It's nothing just a few grunts letting off steam, a mere distraction, I'm more disgruntled with the fact our consistently poor excuse for national news reporting is bringing it up at this time simply to stir the pot
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 10:36
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Conversely one could argue that doing at this time has been done to stir the pot. It would make no difference to my opinion btw if the target had been Boris, Francois or the saintly Jacob.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 11:18
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Back to the matter in hand:
Listening to the exchanges currently being voiced so vociferously across the floor of the Commons, I find it near impossible that this afternoons meeting of leaders will achieve anything.
It is almost as if Corbyn has designed his questions to get Tess's back up and it's working (Ops Normal of course in normal times, but for this day you would think that the 2 combatants might at least try to retain some cool)

Piss up-brewery, comes to mind
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 11:26
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While todays newspapers implore Corbyn to put country firt-ha ha ha coming from the Tories who have done the exact opposite the past 5 years or more and comparing the PM to Houdini whining about snowflake remainers and how its treas on not to want to have a blue passport a quick look at a front page , third lead. article in the New York Times.

Entitled , for Business Brexit has already happened, it goes on to say how thousands of very high paying jobs and people have been moved to continental Europe along with a trillion Dollars in assets because of Brexit and that as Bruce Springsteen sung 'the foreman said these jobs are going boys and they aint coming back, to my home town'.

Bad as that is it then goes on to cover the reputational damage to the UK , as they put it a country that is unfriendly to business and cannot be trusted and which reneges on promises and deals with big business and other nations.

Still want to leave, can you come up with a single worthwhile reason to other than whine -we had a referendum three years ago longer than the time between many elections . something you can refelct on while on the dole in Middlesborough or waiting a year for a minor op in Shrewsbury . You were told at the time it was economic suicide but no Boris knew better than all those economists and bankers and the Head of the BoE and CBI and the Chamers of Commerce didnt he.

Oh i forgot take back control -and give it to the UK parliament the laughing stock of the world and the conservative party who put themselves before country (as parties always do) in having a referendum and then lying through their teeth for almost thre years to cover up the fact they achieved nothing at all in terms of trade deals, EU relationships, and that these experts that we all had enough of , thank you Michael Gove were pretty much right after all , and to cover up the funnelling of Russian money into t e leave campaign .

Was it all worth it , answers from Sunderland and Swindon especially welcome

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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 11:30
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Effluent man, yours id s apoint that goes to the heart of the matter, little if anything factual in the mainstream Uk print media since the referendum was announced and some papers , Mail and Express especially have sunk to levels of reporting that Goebels would be ashamed of ( although they have used his words often enough) . I am not a Corbyn fan but incidents like this make us look like a country that reflects the drunken yob culture we adopted .
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 15:09
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Can you define what you mean by the “current unrestricted version” of FOM?
Perhaps I should have been more specific. As other posters have suggested, the way the U.K. has chosen to implement FoM has been a lot less restrictive than it could have been. Whether that would have changed much in practise I don’t know, but the option was already there.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 16:56
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Effluent man, yours id s apoint that goes to the heart of the matter, little if anything factual in the mainstream Uk print media since the referendum was announced and some papers , Mail and Express especially have sunk to levels of reporting that Goebels would be ashamed of ( although they have used his words often enough) . I am not a Corbyn fan but incidents like this make us look like a country that reflects the drunken yob culture we adopted .
Discussing this with a friend this afternoon and he expressed the view "It's servicemen, it's just what they are like." This said as a defence mind you. I do feel that we are entitled to expect a higher standard of behaviour than we would accept from drunken yobs in a bar. It's easy to understand how fifty years ago their grandfathers would have been mowing down unarmed
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 17:28
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That will be the country where Labour politicians have gleefully attended bonfires burning effigies of Margaret Thatcher and parties celebrating the anniversary of her death?

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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 17:29
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Ohhh!!!! The horror!!!! The fear!!


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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 17:39
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There are similar restrictions of imports from outside the EU. Clearly once you cannot take a pork pie out you will not be able to bring Brussels Pate in.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post


Discussing this with a friend this afternoon and he expressed the view "It's servicemen, it's just what they are like." This said as a defence mind you. I do feel that we are entitled to expect a higher standard of behaviour than we would accept from drunken yobs in a bar. It's easy to understand how fifty years ago their grandfathers would have been mowing down unarmed
​​​​​​​Irishmen.
I spent around 37 years working with people in the armed services. One thing that was noticeable was that the majority (but not all) tended to be a bit right wing. Jokes about Labour politicians were pretty normal, and often far from being politically correct. Far worse things were said and done with reference to Michael Foot, and Tony Blair, than a bit of target practice using an image of Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't condone their behaviour at all, in fact I'm pretty surprised that they were allowed to get away with it at all in this day and age, but I can't say that I'm surprised. I can remember a crew room where the dart board had a small photo of Tony Blair in the centre, and no one seemed to have any problem with trying hard to get a dart right between his eyes. In the interest of balance, I can also remember sitting in a pub after the sinking of the Belgrano, with a lot of very mixed views being expressed by serving RN friends about the decision to torpedo a 44 year old ship, that wasn't really a significant risk to the Task Force. There were solemn toasts that evening to the Argentinian sailors that lost their lives.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 18:15
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RN friends about the decision to torpedo a 44 year old ship, that wasn't really a significant risk to the Task Force. There were solemn toasts that evening to the Argentinian sailors that lost their lives.
Depends where you are sailing at the time.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 18:40
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The fact that the UK has choses to operate in a different manner and has a perhaps more relaxed attitude to Freedom of Movement, employment legislation and provision of benefits has rarely if ever been down to “unrestricted” freedom of movement”, dictated by the EU, it has been down to U.K. domestic policy.
And it would appear that people who wished to disagree with that policy thought it appropriate to vote "leave" in the referendum
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 18:47
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And it would appear that people who wished to disagree with that policy thought it appropriate to vote "leave" in the referendum
agreed, just don’t blame the EU for the policy.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 19:04
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Re the pork pies, they won’t be wanting our fish then.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 19:39
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Re the pork pies, they won’t be wanting our fish then.
It's not 'our' fish, it belongs to every member of the EU, as several posters on here will be only too keen to tell you.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 19:54
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I worked in the fishing industry when I first left school as a trainee auctioneer. Every day wagon loads of fish left Lowestoft to be made into fertiliser and pet food. The average catch was around 1000 tons per week. I reckon at least 50% went off to this source. It's probably why there is a shortage of the stuff now. At least the Europeans eat the stuff.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 19:54
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Originally Posted by bugged on the right View Post
Re the pork pies, they won’t be wanting our fish then.
No, it will be inedible by the time it gets there.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 07:11
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MP Mark Francois said: "It's difficult to argue that you've had an extremely considered debate when you've rammed the bill through the House of Commons in barely four hours. That is not a considered debate, that is a constitutional outrage." Along with not having a referendum three years after one that was tainted and held in an atmosphere of name calling and lying and was largely a referendumb- not purely because many people couldnt spell the word European but for perfectly good reasons millions of people did not have the faintest idea what it would turn into. lets have another referendum to reduce income tax to 5p in the pound-I am sure that would do well in a populist vote
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