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Old 30th Mar 2019, 09:53
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Originally Posted by occasional View Post
"Only three Member States — Ireland, Sweden, and the United Kingdom — decided to open their borders immediately, the former two mainly because their growing and relatively open economies needed labor, and the latter because its regulated labor market was believed to be able to maintain wages at the collectively agreed upon levels.Moreover, immigration at that time was not perceived as such a significant threat in these countries, as opposed to in France, for example, where a fictional character named the "Polish Plumber" was used to fuel fears on how skilled French workers were soon to be replaced by a flood of Eastern Europeans willing to work for less.Around 70 percent of migrants from the A-8 have since headed for Ireland and the United Kingdom. Migrants from Bulgaria and Romania, on the other hand, have mostly chosen to go to Italy and Spain."
You claimed that France and Germany do not follow FOM regulations completely as does the UK and i questioned that. Nothing in your quote supports your claim. Additionally, did you read your own source?

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The proportion of foreign citizens living in each country varied from less than 1 percent in Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria to 44 percent in Luxembourg. In terms of numbers, Germany, again, hosted the largest share of foreign nationals in the EU-27 (2.5 million) followed by Spain (2.3 million), the United Kingdom (1.6 million), France (1.3 million), and Italy (1.1 million)
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 11:27
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A BREXITER who hoped this morning would be his first in a free Britain has instead woken up to another day as a serf in a vassal state.

Martin Bishop sat and drank his cup of tea this morning while gazing out at a country which once dreamed of finally standing tall but has been beaten down into a cringing, subservient wreck by its despotic masters.

He said: “This morning, tormented by thoughts of treason, I rose and watched the sun rise over a nation that’s no more than a gigantic gulag for our Marxist masters in Brussels, and I wept.

“I saw children rise and go to football practice, knowing deep down they are just disposable cogs in the EUSSR’s grinding machinery and could be replaced by Bulgarians at any time.

“I saw Ocado delivery vans arrive, not bringing good British groceries grown on allotments like in the war, but soulless, regimented carrots farmed without mercy by cruel Spaniards with whips.

“I saw a country betrayed, ground down, hopeless and broken. Then I put Football Focus on.”
Says it all really.

Courtesy of the the Daily Mash
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 11:33
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Originally Posted by occasional View Post
"Only three Member States — Ireland, Sweden, and the United Kingdom — decided to open their borders immediately, the former two mainly because their growing and relatively open economies needed labor, and the latter because its regulated labor market was believed to be able to maintain wages at the collectively agreed upon levels.Moreover, immigration at that time was not perceived as such a significant threat in these countries, as opposed to in France, for example, where a fictional character named the "Polish Plumber" was used to fuel fears on how skilled French workers were soon to be replaced by a flood of Eastern Europeans willing to work for less.Around 70 percent of migrants from the A-8 have since headed for Ireland and the United Kingdom. Migrants from Bulgaria and Romania, on the other hand, have mostly chosen to go to Italy and Spain."

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...t-and-present/
You are quoting from something that is 8 years old.

Lots of things have changed since then. Poles no longer coming to UK in large numbers, in fact in any real numbers as people returning home. Always likely as people came met a partner and if Polish it was always likely they would marry, save, have some kids and return home. This happened in the years post 2004 but there was always new people coming in. Not really any more.

Germany / Belgium / Holland / France and Spain are countrys of choice now. All in Euro and this has remained steady v Polish Zloty where as GBP has declined by 15-20% between 2016 and now.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 11:36
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“I saw a country betrayed, ground down, hopeless and broken. Then I put Football Focus on.”
Where I look at foreign owned clubs, playing foreign players with foreign managers.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 13:08
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Our excellent Polish builders have returned home. Fortunately we have no outstanding work, because the remaining 'native' builders in the area are either too busy to take on new projects, or have bad reputations from previous poor work.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:31
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When a former Governor of the Bank of England states that no deal Brexit will not have any negative impact on the UK economy, one has to wonder exactly why MPs are so determined to avoid a clean break with the EU. Any deal in advance of leaving must inevitably tie the UK to EU institutions and governance in some way. That is abundantly clear from the terms of EU membership or terms relating to membership of a customs union or free trade area.

Given that all options that tie us to the EU in advance of leaving also provide for the supremacy of EU legislation, why are UK MPs so determined to effectively remain in the EU at all costs?

My own point of view is that it allows UK MPs to cast off all blame for uncomfortable or unpopular decisions as being forced upon them by the EU. They are frightened at the thought that their mostly secure constituency seats might deselect them. The majority of MPs once established in the House of Commons can expect to be relected time and again until retirement to the House of Lords or a multi million pound consultancy position with a multi national organisation.

Perhaps it is time to introduce a maximum limit of two terms in parliament for any MP after which they must withdraw from politics. MPs will be much more aware of recent issues arising rather than being protected by life within the Westminster bubble. Knowing that you only have a maximum of ten years to make a difference should serve to focus minds.

Some may be concerned that a constant churn of new politicians would lead to instability, but I submit that we have a Civil Service with a well deserved reputation for inertia to provide all the stability the UK needs.

Certainly something needs to change. The public voted to leave the EU. They did not vote to leave conditional upon a deal of any sort. Precisely the opposite in fact, leave means leave, Brexit means Brexit, etc, etc. We currently have a situation where the government is in direct opposition to the clear mandate upon which they were elected. This can not end well.

The only hope for the UK is that a no deal Brexit will actually take place on April the 12th.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
And, four hours later, pictures of the celebrations are all over my Twitter feed.

Small scale, because there's a way to go before #brexit is finally dead. (Well, it's been killed off several times already, but we're missing the stake through the heart or whatever is needed to stop it lurching zombie-like out of the grave yet again. I tell you, whoever puts together the words for "The Day that Brexshit Died" for #ldconf #glee is going to have a lot of verses to write.) And indoors, because it's 11pm.

So the large scale street parties will have to wait a while.

Could be quite a while, actually, as the French are beginning to say that they'd veto any extension of less than a full European parliament.
Go tell the Spartans. We in this country suffer with too many intellectuals and not enough with common sense.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 19:23
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I make no apologies for putting this on this thread as well as the Brexit thrashing:


Unfortunately Honda have said the plant in Swindon will close.

Today there was a march in Swindon to try and save the plant and I respect the present and past workers for turning out in great numbers.

However our march for the people of Swindon has been taken over by trade union supporters from far afield who came here with other intentions.

The march was for the people of Swindon and the surrounding areas not for your political ambitions.

By turning up today in your red vests you hopefully have achieved nothing.

Best of luck to the truly talentted workers of Honda who deserve praise and a good future.

Remember Swindon has adapted before. Keep hope.��
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by DON T View Post
Best of luck to the truly talentted workers of Honda who deserve praise and a good future.
Do they?

I was under the impression that Swindon voted to leave.

It is, admittedly, not that often that people get what they voted for, but, on the rare occasions it happens, they can hardly complain.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Do they?

I was under the impression that Swindon voted to leave.

It is, admittedly, not that often that people get what they voted for, but, on the rare occasions it happens, they can hardly complain.
Therefore you do not believe Honda’s explanation for leaving Swindon!!
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 19:48
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By the way they do not all live in Swindon. Some may be May be Cambridge educated.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 20:39
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Originally Posted by DON T View Post
Therefore you do not believe Honda’s explanation for leaving Swindon!!
If Honda says "we're leaving because of #brexit" they piss off, and risk losing, around half their potential customers.

If they say "we're leaving because of, oh, all sorts of things, none of which are anything to do with you nice British people at all, honest guv" they don't.

Which do you think their PR people are advising? "Let's piss off half our potential customers" or "let's not piss off half our potential customers"?
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 22:33
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No one believes Honda's explanation for leaving.
On the plus side for Brexiteers, Honda believes Brexit is inevitable.

There's always a silver lining.

I read somewhere that some British financial company moved to Dublin because of Brexit to find their profits jump. Brexit or no Brexit I guess they won't be moving back.

Never mind I suspect England will survive as some kind of giant theme park for Chinese tourists seeing as its likely the entire country will be owned by them. They'll also agree a great trade deal. You buy all their tat and they'll buy all the Yorkshire tea you can make.

Another silver lining, no end of good news.







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Old 31st Mar 2019, 03:49
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Anyone who knows the motor trade is well aware of the customer base. Companies buy thousands of cars for leasing and hire buy Fords and Vauxhalls at up to 40% discounts on list price. Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas as well as the awful Nissan "Joke", a car that looks trendy but rides like a rail freight wagon, are destined to have the tins of Werthers on the dash for the sustenance of the codgers on their trips to the garden centre for an overpriced cup of cocoa and a stale rock cake.

Those manufacturers are only too well aware of the Brexit credentials of their customer base. The only irony is that the previous generation to these current owners would not have touched these cars with a bargepole. I sold used cars in the 80's and many of my customers were retirees born in the 1910's, quite a few had been guests of Japan in their youth and harboured grudges due to what they considered substandard food, accommodation and working conditions. Oddly this didn't seem to extend to bad feeling about Europe that their sons and daughters seem to have gained.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 07:44
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
No one believes Honda'

. Y!ou buy all their tat and they'll buy all the Yorkshire tea you can make.
Then again Honda is Japanese.

As for Yorkshire Tea, China will probably build a Yorkshire there, complete with Summer Wine, Emmerdale, a Vet and sheep.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 07:51
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Those manufacturers are only too well aware of the Brexit credentials of their customer base. The only irony is that the previous generation to these current owners would not have touched these cars with a bargepole. I sold used cars in the 80's and many of my customers were retirees born in the 1910's, quite a few had been guests of Japan in their youth and harboured grudges due to what they considered substandard food, accommodation and working conditions. Oddly this didn't seem to extend to bad feeling about Europe that their sons and daughters seem to have gained.
I think I know what you mean, Germany bad Japan good today?

I know my old man wouldn't credit Japanese engineering putting them down as copyists. He escape by the skin of his teeth. Mind you he didn't rate French cars any better. I liked the Renault Dauphne (?) but he wouldn't let me but one😎
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 09:16
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DON T:
Today there was a march in Swindon to try and save the plant and I respect the present and past workers for turning out in great numbers.

However our march for the people of Swindon has been taken over by trade union supporters from far afield who came here with other intentions.

The march was for the people of Swindon and the surrounding areas not for your political ambitions.

By turning up today in your red vests you hopefully have achieved nothing.
There's one small fly in that ointment; the protest was organised not by the people of Swindon but by Unite the Union.
Oh bugger! They are a trade union. I suspect that, without their organisation, there may well have been no march/protest in Swindon.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 09:27
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The Dauphine was most famous for ending up on it's roof! He probably saved you from ignominy! or worse.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 10:00
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A tad late, but just received ----
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 10:14
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A tad late, but just received ----
Ah ! spiffingly stiff upper lip jingoism at it's vomit inducing finest what !.....alas, 1940 is possibly a shade too modern an era for many who voted to leave....

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