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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
As for Stupid Woman-Corbyn was right about one thing in this fiasco the opening few lines say it all

Three years ago ..

Yes three years ago we voted about something 99% of the population knew nothing about apart from what the daily Mail told itss readers. Three eyars on we all know far more and the claims it was all going to be easy lie in dust on the floor of Westminster

So why no second referendum , there were two in the 70s just two years apart= , one to join and the other to say-obviously people were more sensible in the 1970s -well we have been members for 2 years do we carry on. Apparently that was possible in the mid 70s but not now.

The sole reason why there is no second referendum is that the quitters will lose and those behind it will lose a lot of money-and the ones who took the Russian money may lose even more .

Organising another referendum is dead easy-easier than a general election which can be done and dusted in a month so you just have to wonder why. THREE YEARS ago , we have no trade deals no clean way of leaving ( walking away without paying whats due would be a lawyers birthday to say nothing of no one ever wanting to do business with the UK again ever. for me its not so much the EU is great but its far better than Americas poodle state in Europe and far better than the conservative right who will do just about anything to retain privilege and wealth even if 90% of the country suffer for it.
And yes it is true 17m people voted to leave but 16 and a bit million voted to stay and you cannot just ignore that number of people and they pay most of the tax in this country based on earnings demographics educational standards etc .

Go away and check your references; there was no referendum to join, there was only a referendum after 2 years membership to ask whether the UK should remain in the 'Common Market' which resulted in approximately 2/3 of the electorate saying yes.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:19
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How on earth do you work out that a ref is easier than a GE? Just getting the question approved takes months. Go have a look at the requirements for one and the process.

you cannot just ignore that number of people and they pay most of the tax in this country based on earnings demographics educational standards etc .
They weren't ignored that's why they have been fannying around for 2 years trying to get a deal that was never going to happen from day 1.

And fundamentally what ever happens its not going to go back to the way it was 3 year ago when it all kicked off. Even if the UK doesn't leave now its screwed the UK in Europe, and nobody will go near UK because everyone knows fine that it won't be the last of the issue if it stays in and it will rear its head again. it will just go on in limbo. Like it or not the UK has to join the Euro if it stays in.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
I like the way you round down the leave vote from 17.4m to "17m people", but then make the 16.1m for remain "16 and a bit million"
So, rounding it off, how about 17.5 to 16? 😀
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:24
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I've never understood why the Scottish referendum required 60% but the Brexit one only 50%.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
So, rounding it off, how about 17.5 to 16? 😀
Or, how about just writing it as it was 17.4 and 16.1 (to 1dp) 😀
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
We shall see what happens. I suspect neither side is going to be happy come Friday
Depends what you mean by "both sides". With the old meaning of "both sides", a no deal crash out

- will result in the Tories being happy because that's what they want (well, the ERG faction, anyway)
- will result in Labour being happy because that's what they want (well, the Corbynista faction, anyway)

so both sides will be ecstatic and no doubt holding a joint celebration party.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I've never understood why the Scottish referendum required 60% but the Brexit one only 50%.
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Because it didn't.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:29
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That's because it didn't, it was a majority vote as well. The is no way on earth the SNP would have gone ahead with it if they had to get 60%.

I meant neither the EU or the UK will be happy.

But your right though a select few from both sides will be extremely happy....

But more than a few from both sides will be thinking that they will be out a job in the not so distant future. And they won't have a gravy train cushty Brussels job to go to.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:18
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All boiling over in Brussels.

The 27 are, apparently, now convinced that TM is committed to No Deal if the WA is not signed by next Friday, and re frantically trying to back pedal from their dobmRic climbs of “their way or the highway”.

They are now locked in a room and the latest rumours are they are now prepared to offer an unrequested, and unconditional, extension to UK membership up to 11th April to allow further negotiations. This is because they don’t think the WA will be voted through, and they think TM is finished.

The problem being that, regardless of their presumed offer, under the terms of A50, the UK has to request the extension, otherwise under both UK and EU law the UK still exists the EU next Friday.

Whether an additional 2 weeks will allow the HoC to replace TM or to, somehow, amend or repeal the current exit date in law is another matter.

The 27 are apparently still locked in ferocious argument. I presume at least a couple, such as France, would still prefer a hard Brexit.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:20
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Or, how about just writing it as it was 17.4 and 16.1 (to 1dp) 😀
You can't be serious with 1.5 million difference. Why that is nearly 2 million.

Don't the precision of numbers buffered around by approximations and rounding errors.🤗
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:24
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you cannot just ignore that number of people and they pay most of the tax in this country based on earnings demographics educational standards etc .

Are we suggesting that each richer, better qualified person's vote is equal to two common, blue collar persons' votes ?

That one won't go down too well with Mr Ball's wife....
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:25
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The 27 are apparently still locked in ferocious argument. I presume at least a couple, such as France, would still prefer a hard Brexit.
And when all is said and done, they are only politicians.

They say those that can do, those that can't teach, it is true that those that can neither do nor teach become politicians?
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:26
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
That's because it didn't, it was a majority vote as well. The is no way on earth the SNP would have gone ahead with it if they had to get 60%.
They would have needed 60% of the voters in order to get a majority of the population. A similar arrangement should have been applied for Brexit.

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
You can't be serious with 1.5 million difference. Why that is nearly 2 million.

Don't the precision of numbers buffered around by approximations and rounding errors.🤗
No I wasn't being serious, I was just responding to your reply.

My point was simply that pax mentioned the 'little bit' for the extra 0.1 million for one side of the vote but round down by 0.4 million (without any mention of a 'big bit') for the other. Simply pointing out the obvious bias in their comment.

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:31
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
They would have needed 60% of the voters in order to get a majority of the population. A similar arrangement should have been applied for Brexit.
But they didn't need a majority of the population, just a majority of the vote, just like the EU referendum.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
They would have needed 60% of the voters in order to get a majority of the population. A similar arrangement should have been applied for Brexit.
..........and you repeatedly assert it's the leave voters that have problems with facts

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 22:52
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So it's a two-week delay, unless MPs agree the deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47660019
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 23:05
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The devolution referendums were 50% +1 vote required.

In the case of the Wales vote, the numbers were close to (of the electorate) 25.01% for devolution, 24.99 against and 50% don't care, but they got a talking shop in Cardiff based on that.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
The devolution referendums were 50% +1 vote required.

In the case of the Wales vote, the numbers were close to (of the electorate) 25.01% for devolution, 24.99 against and 50% don't care, but they got a talking shop in Cardiff based on that.
Seems I was wrong about the Scottish vote, certainly read it as 60% somewhere in the dim distant...
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 23:27
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Corbyn is in Brussels trying to do a deal with the evil empire by which he will offer them anything they want in the way of Britain on a plate for their tacit support in a general election. The way its going Britain will be a full fledged vassal state before Easter with its 'enormous' wealth at the disposal of the empire. The euro will be cash currency in before Christmas no doubt and that will mean turkeys at twice the price this jolly old Yuletide.
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