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Old 21st Mar 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
As the Americans would say, I've probably got more skin at risk in the UK economy than yourself.

At current FX rates, about 3.4 million of property - two residential and three commercial.

The company of which I own 25% has four of our top nine customers who are UK companies - current iprofit from those four I'd estimate at $ 2.6 million.

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2 My Dearest moat blessed Hurzar ,

I hope this finds you most well. You do not know me but, my late father ( God Bless him in peace ) was the Commandant General --in-Chief of a region where he found a large supply of diamonds. He has long searched for an investor of your esteemed quality and expertise to help him facilitiate the trandfer of these to a palce of safe keeping. All I truly beg of you is to help him sir abd in return tou will be given, free, a 20% cut of the profits when he has sold them. In the first instance however, we need proof that your wealth is not a lie. Could I please ask you therefore to provide me with your bank account details ( in confidence ) so that I can artrange a transfer of a down payment for your future prospurity.

My moste esteemed and gracious thanks,

Yours, ( Dr ) Frites von Champagne .

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 15:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
2 My Dearest moat blessed Hurzar ,

I hope this finds you most well. You do not know me but, my late father ( God Bless him in peace ) was the Commandant General --in-Chief of a region where he found a large supply of diamonds. He has long searched for an investor of your esteemed quality and expertise to help him facilitiate the trandfer of these to a palce of safe keeping. All I truly beg of you is to help him sir abd in return tou will be given, free, a 20% cut of the profits when he has sold them. In the first instance however, we need proof that your wealth is not a lie. Could I please ask you therefore to provide me with your bank account details ( in confidence ) so that I can artrange a transfer of a down payment for your future prospurity.

My moste esteemed and gracious thanks,

Yours, ( Dr ) Frites von Champagne .

Frites von Champagne ???

You don't fool me. You're the guy with the yellow and green Peugeot who I always used to sit opposite under the orange light next to the exit in the Tartan Bar in Apapa. In fact, you've still got that tube of mosquito repellent I let you borrow the last time I was there so why should I trust you this time.


Sorry don't / didn't mean to brag or boast or anything like that - although almost 15 years living and working and trying to do business in Lagos deserves some rewards - but that the seemingly obvious is often anything but....

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Sorry don't / didn't mean to brag or boast or anything like that - ..
But did you have to quote that?

Quite spoilt my afternoon recovering from the Dentist.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:17
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I.would say based on the rate of signings that the Russians are still involved. Maybe the North Koreans as well.
Yeah, you might be right...especially if they're on the voters register for the postcode they enter....and they have that persons email address..and access to their email account...and then log-in and verify their vote without the real person knowing....and do that about 200,000 times from different ip addresses and email accounts...
The electoral roll is a public document, and 'petitioners' enter their own e-mail verification address. IP spoofing is trivial for the bots that generate these things. Anyway, the purpose of a petition is to have MPs debate it, and the debate for that petition has already taken place.

Boring facts again, don't you hate them.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Those people are subject to confirmation bias if all they do is mix and converse with people whose stated aim is to remain.
It becomes less and less easy to find the other sort to converse with! For example, this forum used to be around 99.8% leavers, and it doesn't feel that way to me any more.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:40
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Nah its just most people are bored with talking with a brick wall on both sides. So they just give up, some of us get mild entertainment watching the ups and downs of people thinking they have changed things to the way they want.

Realistically there are very few that can be bothered talking about it.

As has been said many times its not as if the discussions are going to change anything.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by bugged on the right View Post

I.would say based on the rate of signings that the Russians are still involved. Maybe the North Koreans as well.







I wouldn't bet on it - this blew up spectacularly because of TM's speech last night...

From what I've seen in the last few months some elements of the Remain campaign have finally become (probably to late in the day) internet/networking savvy...as a result I know of a couple of fairly innocuous but widely followed general interest sites such as the one that gives Mother's advice that was flagging up the fact TM was going to speak...what they didn't predict was what she would say and how she would say it...

My better half showed me the fallout "in one place"..Within less than 5 minutes of TM finishing large numbers of people were posting, obviously absolutely steaming mad, and as a result of the speech as well as increasuing numbers of individuals promising to move hell and high water to be in London on Saturday for the Peoples' March the URL for petition site was being passed around with pleas to pass it on to friends, family, the pet dog.....

That traffic has continued throughout today....helped by the publicity this has got in the MSM.

I gather much the same was and is happening on other sites.

Of course some of the "votes" will be dubious but there's an underlying anger...TM's speech last night was seen as her Ratner plus plus moment by many..

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:16
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I.would say based on the rate of signings that the Russians are still involved. Maybe the North Koreans as well.
I have no doubt the Russians are involved, as are the Americans, the French... etc... all state actors by definition act in their own states interest. Arguably in fact the US is probably far more influential as it has more to gain and greater access to influence.

No one over here gives a damn about Brexit though at ground level, nobody is speaking about it, and in fact little Nina (well, 25yo old Nina...) in the office asked me what Brexit was exactly... shocked me a little until I realized Russians simply don't care and it's all rather far from their minds.

Don't blame other countries either (other than perhaps the EU, but they seem to have acted quite impeccably) for your own mess.... blame is far closer to home... courtesy of the Tory party.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:21
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Nah its just most people are bored with talking with a brick wall on both sides. So they just give up, some of us get mild entertainment watching the ups and downs of people thinking they have changed things to the way they want.

Realistically there are very few that can be bothered talking about it.

As has been said many times its not as if the discussions are going to change anything.
I agree wholeheartedly, but there does seem to be a bunch of hardcore revolutionaries who are intent on using any and every means possible to overturn a democratic decision, made by the whole electorate.

I can fully understand those who campaign long after a GE, given that our first past the post system almost always results in a government being elected by a minority of the electorate, but trying to overturn a referendum result seems to me to be bordering on anarchy. What's worse is that it seems to be people who strongly supported proportional representation that are trying to disrupt the the Brexit process and overturn the will of the people. You cannot really get a more proportional voting system than a referendum, especially one that had a relatively high voter turn out (around 72%, more than any GE in the past 20 years), so of all political groupings in the UK I would have thought that the supporters of PR would have been the first to defend the outcome, even if they didn't agree with it.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:32
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I can fully understand those who campaign long after a GE
Well, yes, the next GE campaign starts on the Friday. No reason that shouldn't be the same for referenda - the leavers did it last time, hardly a surprise if the remainers do it this time.
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so of all political groupings in the UK I would have thought that the supporters of PR would have been the first to defend the outcome, even if they didn't agree with it.
Trouble is we also like clean elections (I've even given up weeks of my time helping ensure that elections in other parts of the world are clean), and we would seek to overturn the result of any criminal election.

The courts have agreed that this referendum was criminal, but the reason they haven't overturned the result is that there wasn't any result to overturn - the referendum was not binding, it was just an opinion poll, it didn't take any decision, so there is no decision for the courts to overturn.

One of those cases that remind us that "the law doesn't have to make sense".
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I agree wholeheartedly, but there does seem to be a bunch of hardcore revolutionaries who are intent on using any and every means possible to overturn a democratic decision, made by the whole electorate.

I can fully understand those who campaign long after a GE, given that our first past the post system almost always results in a government being elected by a minority of the electorate, but trying to overturn a referendum result seems to me to be bordering on anarchy. What's worse is that it seems to be people who strongly supported proportional representation that are trying to disrupt the the Brexit process and overturn the will of the people. You cannot really get a more proportional voting system than a referendum, especially one that had a relatively high voter turn out (around 72%, more than any GE in the past 20 years), so of all political groupings in the UK I would have thought that the supporters of PR would have been the first to defend the outcome, even if they didn't agree with it.
Well it's too late now for Brexit to be overturned so that's all academic.
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And I think Theresa is going to come home with what she actually now wants - for the EU to tell her to take the deal with a short delay, or leave next week.
She can then qualify for a new motion that will get past Bercow, and leave it to the Commons. Parliament will then be under huge pressure to accept the deal, and if they don't she can blame them for the inevitable crash out. "I did my best - it was those disloyal MPs who let you all down."
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
there wasn't any result to overturn - the referendum was not binding, it was just an opinon poll, it didn't take any decision, so there is no decision for the courts to overturn.
So, using their superior intellect, and knowing that the electorate had made the wrong decision, our elected representatives made the only logical decision.

Back Brexit or lose their seats.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:48
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Well it's too late now for Brexit to be overturned so that's all academic.
You are wrong. The CJEU has ruled otherwise.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
So, using their superior intellect, and knowing that the electorate had made the wrong decision, our elected representatives made the only logical decision.

Back Brexit or lose their seats.
WGAS about whether any particular MP has a seat or not, or whether any particular party is in government or not? #brexit is rather more serious than those domestic details. Some MPs are admitting this out loud, many more know it but haven't opened their mouths to say so (yet).
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:58
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Gertie, I was referring to their pronouncements immediately following the referendum. Or in the case of Call Me Dave before the referendum.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Trouble is we also like clean elections (I've even given up weeks of my time helping ensure that elections in other parts of the world are clean), and we would seek to overturn the result of any criminal election.

The courts have agreed that this referendum was criminal, but the reason they haven't overturned the result is that there wasn't any result to overturn - the referendum was not binding, it was just an opinion poll, it didn't take any decision, so there is no decision for the courts to overturn.

One of those cases that remind us that "the law doesn't have to make sense".
I can find no reference to the referendum itself being criminal anywhere. There are a few references to well-publicised transgressions about spending, and more importantly the failure of the Electoral Commission to give correct advice to campaigners, having been specifically asked for advice by them.

What is the specific criminal charge that has been brought against the referendum itself (not the spending transgressions, they seem to relate to incorrect advice from the Electoral Commission)?

If there is an outstanding criminal charge, why haven't the individuals responsible been prosecuted (and I'm aware of the campaign expenses charges, as above they seem to relate to the incompetence of the Electoral Commission)?

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:03
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to all of the brexiters on here why are you so scared of another referendum on TM's deal???
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
... does seem to be a bunch of hardcore revolutionaries who are intent on using any and every means possible to overturn a democratic decision, made by the whole electorate ...
Not to be confused with hardcore ERG revolutionaries who threaten dire consequences for democracy when voters question the validity of their right wing project.

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... You cannot really get a more proportional voting system than a referendum ...
Especially when that system allows a malicious ERG faction within the Tory party to interpret 51% as a clear majority, then, with utter dishonesty, round that marginal result up to 100% ... representing the will of the people ... irrespective of whether they even voted in the referendum.

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:15
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
You are wrong. The CJEU has ruled otherwise.


Precisely why millions of us, not just in the UK but all around Europe, want out of the EU.
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