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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:04
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Last night saw the best example of synchronised stupidity ever. May tried to blame all her travails on parliament whilst Jezza stormed out of a meeting because he didn't like Umunna being invited. This epitomises more than anything the reason why we are in the current state of political paralysis. The people at the top are stupid!
So they are all brexiteers then, according to the gospel of remain
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:07
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Well based on yesterday's efforts by many politicians, and most especially on the basis of one stand out performance by one individual it looks like life is going to get even more interesting in the next few days.

It will be informative to see how British democracy and the system of democratic government copes, because next week it is going to be pressure tested in a way it hasn't been for perhaps 60 plus years..

For example will a cunning plan going to be found to ban/cancel the "Peoples' March" on Saturday?

What happens when (if?) Op. Yellowhammer is activated start of next week?

A remote neutral observer might be best advised to get the Popcorn in, but for many it's a bit mores serious than that..

Looks like I picked a heck of a week to give up drinking....
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:32
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Well, it is the will of the people. Apparently they knew what they were voting for
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:42
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Interesting rumour going around Brussels, which shows where our democracy has gone....

The suggestion is that, since EU law is legally superior to UK law, if the WA agreement has not been signed by Thursday, the EU should declare they “recognise the rights and opinion of the British people”, unilaterally declare a 2 year extension and demand the UK participate in the EU elections and hold another referendum.

I doubt it will happen, but the fact it is even seriously being discussed......
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 10:47
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In the 70's the Royal family exploited a largely ceremonial appointment to exert pressure (on behalf of the U.S.A.) and force the resignation of a Prime Minister in a distant part of the Commonwealth.

When confronted with a far more urgent case, that same Monarch seems unwilling to exercise the same powers to effect change ... not in the Southern Hemisphere, but this time just a short ride by horse and carriage from her Palace.

How urgent does the constitutional crisis have to be before an authority respected across both houses, steps in to protect her subjects best interests?

Is it possible that the only subject which interests this 'symbolic' Head of State is retaining generous increases to the Sovereign Grant from a dysfunctional Tory party, in exchange for looking the other way.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
In the 70's the Royal family exploited a largely ceremonial appointment to exert pressure (on behalf of the U.S.A.) and force the resignation of a Prime Minister in a distant part of the Commonwealth.

When confronted with a far more urgent case, that same Monarch seems unwilling to exercise the same powers to effect change ... not in the Southern Hemisphere, but this time just a short ride by horse and carriage from her Palace.

How urgent does the constitutional crisis have to be before an authority respected across both houses, steps in to protect her subjects best interests?

Is it possible that the only subject which interests this 'symbolic' Head of State is retaining generous increases to the Sovereign Grant from a dysfunctional Tory party, in exchange for looking the other way.
Great. That's all we need, Charles I back in the room.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:07
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Curiously just been listening to martial music on the wireless
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:13
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Curiously just been listening to martial music on the wireless
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:22
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"Mr Speaker. I must make bold with your chair".

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 11:45
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“Jezza stormed out of meeting...”. Funny how he’s happy to meet on friendly terms with murderous terrorists like IRA and Hezbollah yet can’t bring himself to be in the same room as his former colleague.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:24
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Sky just interviewed Martina ANDERSON, the Sinn Fein MEP for Northern Ireland, who claimed if the WA wasn’t signed it was grounds for an immediate border poll for unification under the terms of the GF agreement.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:12
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The 'Arch Remainer' petition.....:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Andrea Leadsom has rather sniffily said, 'If it reaches 17m, then I'm sure there will be a case for taking action'
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Hyers54

Well if you live in France the collapse of the UK economy wont bother you will it.

And on a purely personal level I dont like the fact that my children have both left the UK and seeking in one case and obtained in the other permanent residency so i will admit to being biased.

As the Americans would say, I've probably got more skin at risk in the UK economy than yourself.

At current FX rates, about £3.4 million of property - two residential and three commercial.

The company of which I own 25% has four of our top nine customers who are UK companies - current iprofit from those four I'd estimate at $ 2.6 million.

Both our children made the UK their home years ago, not Germany which is their nationality, and not here in France. Our daughter obtained her Batchelors, Masters and Doctorate at UK universities nd now lectures at a fairly good one in the UK, while our son looks after our property as well as being our company's UK Agent and go-to man for our customers.

Trust me - I've got a huge stake in the UK economy.



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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:22
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Why is the Petition to halt the Withdrawal Agreement started by a woman styling herself Greek Reporter?
From a bankrupt Nation, it's a bit rich for her to pontificate over Remain to those in the UK.

It's just playing for a headline or two, as any "result" goes against the whole principle of democratic majority behind the EU Referendum.
From a country that initiated "democracy" why can't she accept that the majority of UK voters have expressed the desire to Leave.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:28
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Presumably, Icare, you're the same kind of guy who laughs at anyone who suggests the Russians had a hand in our democracy? The difference being, the petition is a meaningless exercise, whereas various leave campaigns have lots of questions to answer on how they went about persuading people to vote.

If it's performing any function at all, the rate at which it's being signed shows the level of discontent with the government amongst the kind of people who sign petitions. Big wow but please, have a moan about foreigners, you'll fit right in here.




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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:28
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“Jezza stormed out of meeting...”. Funny how he’s happy to meet on friendly terms with murderous terrorists like IRA and Hezbollah yet can’t bring himself to be in the same room as his former colleague.
How Corbyn could at one minute potificate about getting a consensus and finding a way out of this God awfull mess, then in the next act like a petulant child over Ummun's presence in the same room as he beggars belieft, and underlines just how unfit for any public office he actually is.

Who to vote for at the upcoming, almost inevitable General Election is a puzzle for me. I would have, but now definitely won't vote Conservative, based on how they have managed the whole Brexit exit, along with the presence of that party within a party - the ERG. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour under Corbyn and his merry band of Momentumites either. I just hope that the TiGs and LibDems get their act together by not standing against eachother in key seats (including mine, which is currently Soubry's) so that, although they won't win outright, might together have enough seats to ensure a coalition, which at this time is exactly what the country needs to combat the extremists in both major parties.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:37
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Why is the Petition to halt the Withdrawal Agreement started by a woman styling herself Greek Reporter?
From a bankrupt Nation, it's a bit rich for her to pontificate over Remain to those in the UK.
Now, I have no argument with you being entitled to your views but that sort of statement seems to personify the snarling and inaccurate commentary we've seen since the beginning of this sorry exercise.
The 'Greek Reporter' is a well known English language newspaper and website. The lady in question is a retired lecturer from QMC, London...and British born and bred.
But as with other 'facts' from fervent brexit supporters, don't let that spoil your story

Just out of interest, that petition has grown by 52,000 in the past thirty minutes to 915,000
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 13:39
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I am sure parliament will have time to debate it after the exit.

It quite interesting having a look at the map of the votes.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 14:17
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Presumably, Icare, you're the same kind of guy who laughs at anyone who suggests the Russians had a hand in our democracy? The difference being, the petition is a meaningless exercise, whereas various leave campaigns have lots of questions to answer on how they went about persuading people to vote.

If it's performing any function at all, the rate at which it's being signed shows the level of discontent with the government amongst the kind of people who sign petitions. Big wow but please, have a moan about foreigners, you'll fit right in here.



I.would say based on the rate of signings that the Russians are still involved. Maybe the North Koreans as well.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 15:09
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I.would say based on the rate of signings that the Russians are still involved. Maybe the North Koreans as well.
Yeah, you might be right...especially if they're on the voters register for the postcode they enter....and they have that persons email address..and access to their email account...and then log-in and verify their vote without the real person knowing....and do that about 200,000 times from different ip addresses and email accounts...
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