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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:19
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Excellent article. It also explains the Westminster bubble and how so many MPs grow remote from their electorates.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...pendent-group/
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:21
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Apologies to tesco for plagiarism. Tick, tock , Tick tock, Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:21
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How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
The difference between you & me is I wouldn't try to tell you how to fly a plane. When you reverse the positions, it's abundantly clear the same humble concept escapes you.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:37
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Of course as an engineer I would tell some warehouse monkey how to safely operate in the environment I designed. I presume you have load bearing stickers on every rack space? that's a legal requirement as well.

As I linked to the guidance from the HSE, it is published and is law, if you are not following it then your wide open to prosecution if anything happens. If you are in charge of people and are not enforcing it you are open to prosecution.

But either way it will have absolutely zero effect on what happens in 10 days time. Tick Tock.

BTW that is an interesting article ORAC. it rings true as well. You can see it in this forum.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 18:45
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
How high are these stock rooms you are working in? And how many racks high? Are they above head height? Whats the max weight of a picked item?

To be honest I have only worked with Ikea sized racking systems. What do you have maybe three racks the top one not above head height and your little pickers push a cage around and load them up?

Must admit I missed the supermarket word and focused on Ikea because that's the size I am used to.
S'cuse me for asking, buuuut, as you mention work in the above, and you have a range of expertise, could you elaborate a bit please in response to these queries..just so we know the background....

What engineering disciplines are you qualified in, for how long have you been qualified and practicing as a professional engineer ?

What are your types and flying qualifications ..flying history would be classed as "added value ".....?

I know, it's no sodding business of mine, buuuuut, given your prolific and eclectic rang of posts and topics, it would make an interesting read to enthral us all....as an alternative to Brexit.

Ta, in advance..

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:01
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I am reminded of Lord Palmerston's remark about the Schleswig-Holstein affair which occupied the minds of nineteenth century politicians generally possessed of a great deal more sagacity then the hopeless bunch we have now. He is reputed to have said;
Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business - the Prince Consort who is dead, a German professor who has gone mad, and I who have forgotten all about it. It is difficult not to see a parallel with current times.

How do you suppose a foreigner, in seeking to form a view of Brexit - essentially a straightforward undertaking, or so he might think - might arrive at a rational conclusion in the light of the recent Parliamentary nonsense?

Firstly, MPs reject the Prime Minister's capitulation - sorry "deal" - by the largest margin in British Parliamentary history. The Commons voted for a second time, only to secure another substantial defeat which, to anyone with a sense of shame, would be thoroughly humiliating. Then we had a vote to leave the EU without a deal which must have really confused our foreign observer. Two amendments proposing long delays to Article 50 were voted down. MPs then rejected a second referendum amendment; a proposal for Parliament to take control of the legislative agenda (which was lost by a mere two votes), and a Labour further amendment calling for a Brexit delay to enable a different approach. A government motion, however, was passed to extend the Brexit process. One Brexit minister who previously had resigned over Theresa May’s Brexit deal now, contrarily, voted in favour of the same motion!. The current Brexit secretary told the House to vote with the government on its Brexit-delay amendment, only to then vote against it himself. Members of the Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet both defied their party whips, yet in the case of the government, thanks to their boss's inability to impose any form of discipline, remain in post. Nevertheless, defying any sort of recognisable logic, it was claimed that collective responsibility of the Cabinet remained intact. The prime minister concluded that the best reaction to the greatest and fourth-largest government losses in parliamentary history was, wait for it, hold a third vote. More ludicrous still, some think she might win it.

You just could not make it up! If it wasn't so important, this would be great entertainment in Westminster’s very own Theatre of the Absurd. It is little wonder that we are seen by the international community, never mind that of Europe, as congenitally incompetent.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:11
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
What on earth are you on about now Sally?
That's the trouble with having problems with the truth. You need to have a good memory. There is always the search function if you need it.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Of course as an engineer I would tell some warehouse monkey how to safely operate in the environment I designed. I presume you have load bearing stickers on every rack space? that's a legal requirement as well.

As I linked to the guidance from the HSE, it is published and is law, if you are not following it then your wide open to prosecution if anything happens. If you are in charge of people and are not enforcing it you are open to prosecution.

But either way it will have absolutely zero effect on what happens in 10 days time. Tick Tock.

BTW that is an interesting article ORAC. it rings true as well. You can see it in this forum.
Based on what you've offered so far, there's not a single commercial warehouse anywhere on the planet you've had a hand in operating successfully.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:30
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Mechanical and I was in it 10 years full time before starting to become a pilot, Mainly nonlinear structural but with some occasional couple field jobs with thermo and dynamic response. The written English was always a problem I will admit. The racking stuff is nonlinear when it fails due to buckling. Quiet often these distribution experts that allow climbing on the racks will have a book giving the load values that they can put on each level and those in the know will allocate suitable product bays for each product. Each rack is meant to have it displayed but that's ignored a lot of the time. Then the experts allow people to hand ball directly from the racks standing on the product pallets so you have the top level with max load on it already plus another 65-100kg of person on it. There is safety factors built in and the struts are ok in compressive load. Then something knocks the bottom member and the whole lot comes down. There is other failure modes as well. There is a huge difference between thin walled angle racks and tube beam racks. Have a look at the ikea racks next time your in. But also have a look at the bracing and tension ties. Ikea racks are more like steel support buildings than normal racking systems. I believe they can take one floor level strut out with a forklift and the structure will not collapse.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 19:33
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there's not a single commercial warehouse anywhere on the planet you've had a hand in operating successfully
Now for once I fully agree with you. I have never ever operated a warehouse. Either successfully or unsuccessfully. only ever designed the racking for them or sorted out why it failed.

That's the trouble with having problems with the truth. You need to have a good memory. There is always the search function if you need it.
Is it the MP comment again or the bacterial loading of new born baby's which you were dismissive about? no need to search for it. Neither of which has anything to do with gynaecologist which is why I am confused.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 21:35
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Seem to have strayed into a warehousing discussion. I worked in a warehouse, my first real job. Had quite a few adventures narrowly escaping death when a pallet of slimmers chocolate chip cookies fell on me. My best exploit though was hitting a pallet of hairspray with the forklift. Quite a whiff but my quiff was excellent.

I note the job statistics, almost full employment in the UK. Jobs I suspect like my old warehouse job, low paid, dead end.

Worth pointing out though that the UK hasn't left the EU yet. Might be a different story next year. Or is that project fear?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Seem to have strayed into a warehousing discussion. I worked in a warehouse, my first real job. Had quite a few adventures narrowly escaping death when a pallet of slimmers chocolate chip cookies fell on me. My best exploit though was hitting a pallet of hairspray with the forklift. Quite a whiff but my quiff was excellent.

I note the job statistics, almost full employment in the UK. Jobs I suspect like my old warehouse job, low paid, dead end.

Worth pointing out though that the UK hasn't left the EU yet. Might be a different story next year. Or is that project fear?
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Yepp....Me too I'd love to jump on the train about employment in the UK being its highest ever.

I'm just not too sure it's at its lowest ever unemployment rate, though - perhaps just the highest number, ever, employed which actually might be more attributable to about 5 million additional working age immigrants the past 15 years and an increase in the retirement age.

Would love to be proved wrong, by the way....

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 22:02
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Yepp....Me too I'd love to jump on the train about employment in the UK being its highest ever.
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Could be like myself and 15% of my company, working solely on Brexit issues. Or my other half, doing the same. IT, legal, compliance, tax, regulations. Consultants everywhere working out WTF is going on and the best course of action.

I have never been so busy doing work that is of so little value. And the kicker, the work we are doing is setting up a French office to move the business and the people to retain the ability to do business in the EU. Jobs will go from the UK, including mine, IT systems need to be rebuilt and re-programmed to handle French tax and French VAT , systems need to be physically move out of the UK to the EU. My other half is lucky, they are not moving to Paris. They are moving to Dublin.

So in our household of two, that's 2 jobs down, plus the childminder, the cleaner, the sandwich shops, the days out. But in the meantime we're so damn busy trying to prepare for the mess that we have to employ extra to keep the company ticking. I work for a small firm of ~30, she works for one of 300. It's a false dawn before the storm
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 23:04
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I suppose, at the end of the day, or nearly so with any luck, all that this Brexit business has shown is that Parliament is incapable of honourably running the country within the containments of its individual or several manifestos or promises. You'd be better of sticking with the evil empire where at least you can pretend to be self governing whilst actually remain self grovelling. Vice at a price is always nice?
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 23:25
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I suppose, at the end of the day, or nearly so with any luck, all that this Brexit business has shown is that Parliament is incapable of honourably running the country within the containments of its individual or several manifestos or promises. You'd be better of sticking with the evil empire where at least you can pretend to be self governing whilst actually remain self grovelling. Vice at a price is always nice?
Never a truer word.
Britain always seemed a stable mature democracy. In fact the most stable mature long term democracy in the world maybe.
But now? A choice between a chaotic right wing Conservative party and a Marxist Labour Party.

Rock and a hard place.

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Old 20th Mar 2019, 05:04
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You might think though, that Britain going through such a major change without civil war defines it as one of the most stable countries in the world!

There was a time for about twenty years after WW11 that I believed Great Britain to be one of the most civilized countries in the world. For the last fifty years I have wondered, philosophically, if being one of the most civilized countries meant participating gracefully and without rancour in one's own demise. Giving up all the privilege for which one's ancestors fought so hard in exchange for the politically correct gratification of watching it given to the less privileged who despised you for doing so.

Just a whimsical thought, as I say.

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Old 20th Mar 2019, 06:56
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"The Long March " Day 4 : Strategic diversionary tactic deployed in Wetherby allowing main Battalion to progress unopposed. Secondary diversion tactic also declared a success with reduced numbers of Battalion on display for left wing news rabble visit not realising depleted ranks are being held in reserve out of sight. God Save the King !

https://www.channel4.com/news/what-m...-brexit-crisis

Meanwhile, Mail readers are thoughtfully reminded of happier times to stimulate their utopian view of the UK....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47633549

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Old 20th Mar 2019, 07:06
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 07:27
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There is a long tradition of civil war in Britain. From the long winters of Stephen and Matilda when God and his angels slept, past the Wars of the Roses, through the turgid bleakness of the Parliamentarians and the Cavaliers to the Stuart/Hanoverian problems, Britains have loved nothing better than a pint of Stella and a good blood soaked gurgle. Nowadays of course, political correctness has seen off much of the opportunity for a decent public bun fight over a matter of significant importance and therein lies both the problem and the solution.
Rescind the ridiculously prohibitive gun laws that persist in Britain today, provide arms and ammunition for the public at bulk reduced rates and allow the good old oak hearted citizenry of the nation to fight it out, as they have so often done before, until a winner is determined by force of arms. It's such a very best of Britain thing to do, it would boost local beer sale and thin out the population a little. Casualties could be expected to be higher amongst the very old or those who were too drunk or drug crazed to shoot straight, they're a lot of those around and it would rather neatly pave the way for a sort of Venezuelan resurrection that would be an appropriate starting point for the country's new ruler for life.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 08:01
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