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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Nonsense the UK was part of the big three in the EU and often the brake of some of the nuttier notions of the EU.

Why on Earth do you think the Poles and the rest of the people you mention were drawn to the UK? Jobs, opportunity, English speaking. A land of opportunity. A tolerant society where people who are prepared to work hard can succeed. Do you honestly believe all those immigrants are living on the dole?

It seems you think that being perceived as a country where hard work is rewarded is a bad thing.

You are a victim of the Euroskeptic false news perpetrated by the likes of of Johnson and Farage.

You are also a victim of thinking that that the EU is some form of massive plot or conspiracy to somehow get at the British. Really? You seem intelligent so does that even make sense? The evil EU out to get the British.

Get real please.
I think you misunderstand me - the recent wave of EU immigrants have undoubtedly NOT gone to the UK for an easy life on Social Security. They went because there were jobs and opportunities available in the UK when there was huge unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, in most other EU member countries.

But with the UK usually running in an opposite economic cycle.to the Eurozone, and the EU's natural emphasis on ensuring that the good health of the Eurozone members is more important than anything happening in or affecting the UK, then the UK's importance to the overall EU Project has become increasingly unimportant the past 15 years or so - but not so its contributions, of course.

And as for the fanatical federalism - I'll disagree with you. Absolutely nothing has been, could be and would be prevented by the UK.'s membership of the EU.

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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:09
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You may not have said it
Thank you.

Venezuela??




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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:28
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Never mind, when Corbyn wins the next general election, he'll invade the Channel Islands and slaughter all the trust officers.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:44
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
Thank you.

Venezuela??
Yes I know. But all countries have the potential to turn into a basket case with poor leadership and broken politics.
Need I say more?


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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:51
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Never mind, when Corbyn wins the next general election, he'll invade the Channel Islands and slaughter all the trust officers.
Nonsense he'll hand Northern Ireland over to us, tell Gibraltar to join Spain and give the Falklands to Argentina. Scotland will be independent and Wales whether they like it or not. The Americans will be invited to leave their bases and England will become a Republic which is fine since Russians own half of London already.
A socialist paradise indeed.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 01:10
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One of the bizarre notions of the the Brexiteers is that the UK lost it's sovereignty, which is a bit of a joke in itself because clearly the opposite was true. But somehow none of the other 27 felt the same. No it was just the English who have never been invaded since 1066. Never been under the yoke of an occupier because of course they were as often as not the occupier the invader the coloniser. The empire builder.
They feel oppressed having no knowledge of what it's really like to be invaded oppressed and colonised.
Some people might feel a certain schadenfreude.

That's a German word you know,

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 02:15
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All UK law is made and enforced in the name of the monarch. The EU has adopted the role as the overarching legal authority for all member states. That effectively means that the UK is no longer a sovereign state, solely in charge of its' own destiny.

As far as the average man in the street is concerned, nothing much has changed but there are huge differences in the way the legal systems on the Continent and those in the UK are run. In the UK a person is presumed innocent until guilt is established. Many EU nations require the accused to prove their innocence against a presumption of guilt.

Just one of the causes for concern in the UK as progress towards ever closer union would require alignment of legal systems and laws across EU member states. The British rightly see this as an erosion of their basic rights and freedoms. It hasn't happened yet but it eventually would without Brexit.

So yes, the British view continued membership of the EU resulting in a loss of sovereignty to the European Parliament.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 05:46
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Some of the others feel exactly the same... Hence why the EU has to make things as difficult as possible and make exiting as difficult and as damaging as possible. If it doesn't it will cause others to leave..... And to be honest I suspect changing Art 50 will be one of the first things that occurs when this is finished with to make it much harder to escape.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 06:57
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Well well.....although no doubt now disbanded, it's interesting to see how the same technique, lies and strategy waere used by certain media outlets in support of Brexit .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47571253

"The Long March " Day 3. No reported casualties . All quiet on the Eastern Front. Further reports after the ferret racing results are in.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 07:02
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Another way of looking at British sovereignty is to view 1066 as the day on which that sovereign nation was invaded by a foreign power?
You've been occupied territory ever since then and have never produced a regal dynasty of your own without resorting to foreign blood lines. Hence perhaps the remainers have historical precedence on their side and are not quite a rabidly euro revisionist as they have been painted by those who regard history as a moving time line that moves on with mankind.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 07:25
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it's interesting to see how the same technique, lies and strategy waere used by certain media outlets in support of Brexit .....
And they were used by remain as well, and project fear continues today with selective reporting and press releases by government's and company's.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 07:40
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Some of the others feel exactly the same... Hence why the EU has to make things as difficult as possible and make exiting as difficult and as damaging as possible. If it doesn't it will cause others to leave..... And to be honest I suspect changing Art 50 will be one of the first things that occurs when this is finished with to make it much harder to escape.
Yet they don't. Certainly not to the extent you imply. But that's the great thing about sovereign democracies, they allow a range of views in enshrining free speech.
As for making things 'difficult' you seem to have forgotten who decided to break up the band, who set out a position in about half an hour & never deviated from it, who by contrast set out a wholly unrealistic stance then spent years arguing over it while burning through people to head it up & the resignation of minister after minister while bungling negotiations, attempted to go behind the other people's backs in a predictably futile attempt to curry favour, leading directly to one of very many very public humiliations,

The only surprise in the above is you heretofore have neglected to blame Brussels for the disappearance of Madeline McCann, Arsenal's failure to win the league & the black death.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:08
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And for the lols:

Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
. And we are able to discuss the issues without rancor.
Whichever way things emerge I hope, and believe, that our relationship with our European allies will continue to be more friendly and tolerant than the pervasive atmosphere on this thread.

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.. Sadly, as you rightly observe, she has been very ably assisted by her coterie of quisling, fifth-rate politicians et les conneries of the Remain camp

...playboy Cameron with her as a wholly incompetent Prime Minister

,...Only the feeble-minded would feel any sympathy with Theresa May.

...She and the cowardly Remain contingent

... their myopic concept of a failing European order

. ... odious dwarf running the Commons
Charmed I'm sure.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
And they were used by remain as well, and project fear continues today with selective reporting and press releases by government's and company's.
Now, I could be wrong, but, this montage suggests just how intensely project "fear " was utilised to support disinformation ......please have a browse and note the sources of these headlines........

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fa...w=1280&bih=855
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:23
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https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...exit-in-space/

“.......Incoming: But the big risk for the Brexiteers is that the Article 50 delay leads to a softer form of Brexit — and as the Telegraph’s Steven Swinford pointed out last night, Bercow has already hinted at the possible pathway. Addressing Labour MP Helen Goodman on how backbenchers may now put forward their views, given there is currently no prospect of an amendable MV3 on the horizon, Bercow hinted they could use emergency debates under So24 legislation. The suggestion is that Bercow could allow these normally meaningless debates to become amendable motions, which backbench MPs could use to hold votes on other Brexit options. “It’s massive,” a source in the whips office tells Swinford. Definitely one to watch........”

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:23
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Yet they don't. Certainly not to the extent you imply
Rose tinted glasses, there are several countries not happy. And a successful exit by the UK will be used by those that also want to escape as proof that it can be done and the country will be better off out.

The two years pissing about trying to do a deal with an entity who had no intention or if you want to believe it had no legal ability to do a reasonable acceptable deal, was I agree pointless. Personally I wouldn't have bothered.

......please have a browse and note the sources of these headlines........
After a 2 second scan I didn't and still don't read that crap. And those that do were pretty much solid leave voters before the referendum was announced.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Rose tinted glasses, there are several countries not happy. And a successful exit by the UK will be used by those that also want to escape as proof that it can be done and the country will be better off out.

The two years pissing about trying to do a deal with an entity who had no intention or if you want to believe it had no legal ability to do a reasonable acceptable deal, was I agree pointless. Personally I wouldn't have bothered.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 08:59
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"After a 2 second scan I didn't and still don't read that crap. And those that do were pretty much solid leave voters before the referendum was announced "

The rags in question readership probably were solid, from the neck up, leave voters, but don't you think such blatant lies could have influenced their decision in the first place, let alone reinforced their established prejudices ?....clearly not.

And if you consider a 2 sec scan to be sufficient to assimilate all of the montage, before admitting you don't actually read the headlines anyway, that's a rather accurate way of shooting yourself in both feet simultaneously ..well done !
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 09:09
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Ok ok I am an expat that lives in the Eu that doesn't have a clue what's going on locally. I just have to ignore what the 16 different nationality's I work with say. Also what the financial sites say.

Instead I have to believe PPrunes very own Judy Garland from Sussex just because they says so.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 09:15
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The rags in question readership probably were solid, from the neck up, leave voters, but don't you think such blatant lies could have influenced their decision in the first place, let alone reinforced their established prejudices ?....clearly not
There was the same utter crap from remain sources. Which I might add was just as un-effective as the leave crap.

I don't read most of the bollocks links posted in this thread, you can predict the tone of it just by the person that has posted it. Then the reply's to the opposition's posts are the standard "that's not a reliable source" etc etc.

Its the same with flat earther vids and chemtrailer video and links. I don't touch them either. By clicking on the link you just give them advertising revenue and encourage the idiots.
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