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Old 15th Mar 2019, 15:57
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The people of the UK want to leave the EU - the politicians don't.
52% of Jetblasters don't
48% of Jetblasters do, but they don't live in UK.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
The people of the UK want to leave the EU - the politicians don't.
You have no idea what the people of the UK want. You can only guess.

All you know is that back in 2016, voters chose to leave the EU by a narrow majority.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:17
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You have no idea what the people of the UK want. You can only guess.

All you know is that back in 2016, voters chose to leave the EU by a narrow majority.
That's called democracy, the current shenanigans isn't. The only good thing to possibly come out of this could be the wholesale clear out of third rate party apparatchiks on both sides of the house that have done so much to damage the country.

But I won't be holding my breath.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 17:02
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You have no idea what the people of the UK want. You can only guess.

All you know is that back in 2016, voters chose to leave the EU by a narrow majority.
The result of 2016 referendum was to leave, that was the majority.
For what it's worth I voted remain, but I do believe the result should be honoured.
This embarrassing shambles of a government has tried to negotiate remaining in all but name and kicking the can further down the road is just prolonging the agony.

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 17:18
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We, the people must not, in the light of changed circumstances & vastly superior understanding have another vote, whilst the PM goes for her third. Ah, democracy.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
The result of 2016 referendum was to leave, that was the majority.
For what it's worth I voted remain, but I do believe the result should be honoured.
This embarrassing shambles of a government has tried to negotiate remaining in all but name and kicking the can further down the road is just prolonging the agony.
I don't dispute that.

Whst I did dispute, and still do, is what you said in your post, viz. "The people of the UK want to leave the EU - the politicians don't. "

You do not know what the people want now, in 2019. You cannot justify that claim.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 17:58
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Personally, I don't think peoples positions have changed much.
The polls, albeit they do show a more people supporting remain prove little in my opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7097261.html
Remain had a 10 point lead on the day and still lost.
One reason I think a second referendum could be a poisoned chalice.

If Cameron had done what he'd said he would do then we'd already have left.
Bottom line is, him the government and (most of) the opposition wish to remain.
They played the electorate, not realising how disconnected they were from the voters.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
The result of 2016 referendum was to leave, that was the majority.
For what it's worth I voted remain, but I do believe the result should be honoured.
This embarrassing shambles of a government has tried to negotiate remaining in all but name and kicking the can further down the road is just prolonging the agony.
+1, but I would not cry if our charlatans at Westminster cock it up and we stay in. What would upset me is the complete devastation they have wrought on party politics.

Reflect for a moment had Parliament not been broadcast on TV.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I don't dispute that.

Whst I did dispute, and still do, is what you said in your post, viz. "The people of the UK wanted to leave the EU - the politicians don't. "

You do not know what the people want now, in 2019..
There you are Sally, fixed it for you. While I am still a remainer, and I am not aiming at you at all, I think the arguments would have more credibility if more care was taken in expressing views - we should pay more attention to words like could, should, would, might, may, will.

I might add I do not know and changers.

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 22:51
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It may interest contributors to know that the weight of the voting slips for the slim majority who voted to leave the EU amounted to a figure in excess of 4,250 Kg. You wouldn't want to be standing around under that weight if it dropped on your head. Unfortunately that is what is going to happen to our MPs if they fail to deliver Brexit.

The 4,250Kg figure is calculated assuming 2.5 grams per voting slip. A standard sheet of A4 paper weighs roughly 5 grams, so the figure is probably an underestimate. Well over four tonnes of paper, just for the majority who voted leave!

That means that each percentage point in the referendum consumed the equivalent of at least a tonne of paper. Now if trees had a vote...
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 05:46
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
It may interest contributors to know that the weight of the voting slips for the slim majority who voted to leave the EU amounted to a figure in excess of 4,250 Kg. You wouldn't want to be standing around under that weight if it dropped on your head. Unfortunately that is what is going to happen to our MPs if they fail to deliver Brexit.

The 4,250Kg figure is calculated assuming 2.5 grams per voting slip. A standard sheet of A4 paper weighs roughly 5 grams, so the figure is probably an underestimate. Well over four tonnes of paper, just for the majority who voted leave!

That means that each percentage point in the referendum consumed the equivalent of at least a tonne of paper. Now if trees had a vote...
Ah ! one of the most invaluable and essential pieces of information ever contained in "Letter from Norfolk "....but shurely, a prime contender for the esteemed Admirals thread !

Meanwhile, it's always a good idea to read the small print when dealing with matters of Gov't. .....so we await any over looked exclusion clause....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rt-eu-election

There again, when it comes down to the small print, it's even more useful if you've conveniently ignored including any.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47592812
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 06:36
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https://www.politico.eu/article/docu...n-eu-election/

Document: Brexit by July 1 unless UK votes in EU election

Brexit can't be delayed beyond July 1 unless Britain takes part in the European Parliament election at the end of May, according to an EU document presented to ambassadors of member countries on Friday.

The document, prepared by EU officials, sets out the legal issues that would be raised by Britain requesting an extension of the Article 50 period, as Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to do next week.

The text states that a withdrawing member country is legally bound to organize European Parliament elections between May 23 and May 26 this year. If the member country does not do so and the new Parliament holds its first session on July 2 with that country still in the bloc, the EU institutions "cease being able to operate in a secure legal context."

"It follows that no extension should be granted beyond 1 July unless the European Parliament elections are held at the mandatory date," the document says.

The document says that multiple extensions to the Article 50 period are theoretically possible. But if the U.K. were granted an extension until July 1 and did not take part in the European Parliament election, it could not then be given a further extension.

"It follows that if an initial extension puts the withdrawal date after the date of the European Parliament elections, and if these elections were not organised by the withdrawing State, this would make any further extension impossible," the document says.

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 08:52
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Everything is impossible until it would work in the favour of the evil empire in Brussels were it not so, at which point everything and anything from manipulations of referendums to non accounting of national debts to unelected changes of government can and do occur. Already the EU its own army up its sleevies, a military force that it will undoubtedly use in the future to impose its will on recalcitrant countries, thereby saving a fortune in financial finagling.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 09:45
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It's all very well discussing how long an extension might be allowed, but the bigger question remains why.
​​​​​​I can't see the EU granting an extension without it being for a specific named purpose, and we all know the limited choices.
​​​Simply making a few more dents in the same battered old can won't cut it.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 10:30
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Apparently some 350 people have turned up for the "leave" march - if they're the ones who are going to start the civil war when #brexit is cancelled I don't think we've got very much to worry about. There are expected to be a few more than that on the "remain" march on 23rd - most people are expecting a million.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Apparently some 350 people have turned up for the "leave" march - if they're the ones who are going to start the civil war when #brexit is cancelled I don't think we've got very much to worry about. There are expected to be a few more than that on the "remain" march on 23rd - most people are expecting a million.
Further reports from the #GammonBallRun suggest that

(1) There are around 100 of them, not 350.

(2) Farage himself, who "organised" this "march", has chickened out and gone home.

(3) The marchers have already started beating up passers-by.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 11:38
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Perfect Brexit metaphor. Pointless, wet, cold, contains lies & broken promises.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:33
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Came across this today.





Kind of gives the correct impression of who those fanatical Remainers in the UK share their political ideology

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Further reports from the #GammonBallRun suggest that

(1) There are around 100 of them, not 350.

(2) Farage himself, who "organised" this "march", has chickened out and gone home.

(3) The marchers have already started beating up passers-by.
Ah, but, Gertie, cast your mind back to the last "triumphalist " march organised by the Divine Saviour..a meer 100000 were projected to march on the HoC led by Nige ( white prancing horse optional ) but, alas, in the event, well non event to be more precise, about 30 or 40 misguide souls actually attended ( plus a couple of golden retrievers ) and this epic march will be the same...the rapt throng when a clapped out double decker lurched to a stop in Bolton weren't going to cause GMP any crowd control issues ether. Anyway, with Nige's trademark healthy lifestyle, 2 miles let alone 200 could well induce a heart attack.......this is purely hypothetical and not wishful thinking less what are left of the UKIP brethren on here accuse me of such heresy.....but, and here's the real allure, for a mere £50 as a "core marcher ",you get fed twice a day and somewhere to doss for the night...bargain ! ...tour of the East side of the UK for next to nothing ! ....will they be limping fearlessly into Cambridge at all ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...off-for-london
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:52
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Came across this today.





Kind of gives the correct impression of who those fanatical Remainers in the UK share their political ideology
Bless. The angry is palpable

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