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Old 13th Mar 2019, 14:41
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Trouble with abuse is its in the eye of the beholder-it is apparently ok to call remainers snowflakes, traitors cowards etc but say anything about the Quitters and oh no thats not fair.

And I am no fan whatsoever of the IRA at all-in fact was far to near one of their bombs on London in the 70s to feel that way. But this is another situation where we have lied and betrayed people we made agreements with . I am no supporter of theirs in anyway but we have consciously put the NI Good Friday agreement in doubt without a second thought for the people of Northern Island.

And as for comments on Rees Mogg well it seems he is even more of a traitor than i thought setting up offshore funds so rich Brits can invest in the prosperous nation that is Korea, which makes all the things we no longer do , ships cars electrical and telecoms equipment all huge scale mass employment enterprises which we do not have it would be wonderful to see him encouraging investment in the UK but he doesnt . Has he published plans to get the UK back into these global mass markets NO - As a private citizen he do as he likes as an MP no!
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 14:57
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Trouble with abuse is its in the eye of the beholder-it is apparently ok to call remainers snowflakes, traitors cowards etc but say anything about the Quitters and oh no thats not fair.

And I am no fan whatsoever of the IRA at all-in fact was far to near one of their bombs on London in the 70s to feel that way. But this is another situation where we have lied and betrayed people we made agreements with . I am no supporter of theirs in anyway but we have consciously put the NI Good Friday agreement in doubt without a second thought for the people of Northern Island.

And as for comments on Rees Mogg well it seems he is even more of a traitor than i thought setting up offshore funds so rich Brits can invest in the prosperous nation that is Korea, which makes all the things we no longer do , ships cars electrical and telecoms equipment all huge scale mass employment enterprises which we do not have it would be wonderful to see him encouraging investment in the UK but he doesnt . Has he published plans to get the UK back into these global mass markets NO - As a private citizen he do as he likes as an MP no!
Quite obviously....

It's OK to say 17.4 million people are stupid, racist, don't undertsnad what they voted for, etc,l etc, etc, etc, etc, but that isn't abuse, apparently....

This guy ( edit - smug dick*ead ) must be your absolute hero -


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Old 13th Mar 2019, 15:14
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He didn't say that though did he? Mark Francois is the most insecure man on the planet, you can see his neuroses from space. Don't be like Mark Francois.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Serious disinformation to say that 3 million voters aged 18-24 voted Leave. This section of the uk population amounts to some 7,000,000. Of those who voted 25% voted leave - 1,750,000, turnout was 64%, so around 1,200,000.
I am curious. How did they determine 25% of 64% of 7m voted leave?

It is a secret ballot. We know the turnout, but do we know that the 64% was evenly split by age? I know the age of voters is known but I am not aware of anyone correlating electors by age. I presume therefore it is scaled up from a small sample poll, as accurate as all other sample polls are.

I see the original source was BBC in May 17.

Then if we read on:

But if young people turned out like old people, and 78% of 18-24-year-olds had voted in 2015, that would have equated to almost two million extra votes.
How many young people turned out to vote is less clear, with polls suggesting a mixed picture.
So if we read the link we see that the original statement here is once again statistical flummery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39965925

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 16:22
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Possible timeline:
May decides the only course of action is to call an election to try and break the impasse
Legislation is passed to change the Art50 date in law - given the current numbers in Parliament this could be done quickly as the opposition would go for it, and the ERG and DUP on their own are a small minority so can’t stop it
The 2/3rds majority is achieved to call a general election
Parliament is dissolved at the end of April
Combined General and Euro election on May 23rd.
Is that set in stone?

The local and district elections are on 2 May. Voters don't like voting. Would she dare hold two elections 3 weeks apart?

The other interesting factor is who will stand. Would she do a Cameron? While the JBers have no doubt who they would not vote for, would the relevant local party apparatchiks feel the same way?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 16:53
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The 3,000,000 came from the fact that I forgot to factor in voter turnout. Iím sure your numbers are more accurate.

Please bear in mind though my numbers were used to back up a tongue in cheek statement about a post Brexit civil war. You werenít supposed to take it seriously!

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:53
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As the world knows, the British are famed for their love of queues .....allegedly....so what better way to enjoy this pastime than with the help of the law of unintended consequences c/o ? Brexit. Obviously, there are those who may object to damned foreigners getting priority and Mail readers will have finally found a use for the rag, moping their fevered brows as they wait to be processed.

On the other hand, the model was projected by the Home Office......so it's anybody's guess as to the accuracy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-leak-reveals
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 20:50
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It looks as though there may be changes in May's cabinet tomorrow. On this evening's motion (now with Spelman/CooperAmendment) May had yesterday said this vote would be a free vote. Word is now coming from Westminster that she had a change of mind, after voting began. Maybe the change of plan didn't reach cabinet members in time but it appears some have voted against, some for and some have abstained. Off they go then!
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:05
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Well, there you have it. The referendum said 'Leave', parliament says, 'How quaint, don't be daft'.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:09
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So what do we have?

No deal
Deal but EU won't deal
No Brexit ?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Deal but EU won't deal
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The EU did deal, as did May. The failure is her inability to sell it to Parliament (or if you prefer her inability to understand what she could get through parliament)
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:40
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And after next week’s meeting TM will bring back her deal from Brussels for the third time....




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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:43
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Pretty clear May will try to bounce the ERG into line by narrowing it down to a long extension complete with EU elections or her deal & she might get it too. How unspeakably vomit making, a woman who insists the people can't change their minds in three years tries to get MP's to do it three times in three months.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 22:22
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Looks like Labour will back MV3 as well.......

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 23:40
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Are we there, yet, Mum?
Think we made the wrong turning at a rounabout but don't worry we will see the roundabout again. Makes going round the Magic Rounabout in Swindon seem normal.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:02
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Rule Britannia, Britain blinked first.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:13
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Rule Britannia, Britain blinked first.

Britain didn't blink first.

A few hundred EU supporting politicians did, not 17.4 million UK citizens.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:44
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In the old days, which I remember with affection, a lot of the 17,4 million would have marched on Parliament with the certain intention of tarring and feathering the few hundred. These days might one hope for such a march with the knackers yard as the end goal?
It's getting close to the point where observers who have always fought against Marxism would prefer to see a decade of cruel hard socialist rule with all the destruction that implies if it would destroy the sort of Conservatism that has permeated parliament and has corrupted a once great party just as much as Corbyn has his.

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 00:58
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
In the old days, which I remember with affection, a lot of the 17,4 million would have marched on Parliament with the certain intention of tarring and feathering the few hundred. These days might one hope for such a march with the knackers yard as the end goal?

I'd like to believe they would be marching here but they didn't

Instead, we got Mdm LePen - a genuine right wing racist but whose party picks up the votes of those who still remember how the politicians ignored the result of our 2005 referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_F...ion_referendum

I suppose those 17.4 million are far too British to take to the barricades, but maybe those UK politicians who are insisting on trying to overturn the results of the UK referendum might look over here to see what real racists are like and reflect on how they just might be sewing the seeds of a similar problem for the UK in the not too distant future.


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Old 14th Mar 2019, 07:53
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Coming soon, to a High street near you, a forlorn figure huddled on a pavement with a cardboard sign round his neck....."Former MEP, please give generously, now broke ".......but at least Nige has been consistent........ with his fallacies about the EU, immigrants and now..... himself......

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