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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:25
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Listen to what she says after the vote
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:31
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Not heard much from the plumber who likes to say tick tock.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:36
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If Boris gets in as PM assuming May at some stage resigns, people will pine for the good old May days... both BJ and JRM will go straight for the hard-Brexit kill... she has to hang on... absolutely no doubt BJ is "on manoeuvres".
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:41
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The attention now switches to the length of any extension the EU would be willing to offer and the price they would charge.

The rumours from Brussels would suggest no less than 21 months and a price of at least £1B per month, plus whatever individual nations, such as Spain, might add to the demands.

The question then would be what would be acceptable to the public and get a majority vote in the HoC.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:45
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Yet another verse for "The Day that Brexit Died" #ldconf #glee.

But, as with the last 17 times it was killed off, the ****ing thing isn't guaranteed to stay dead until it's had a stake through its heart, been cremated, and been launched into the sun.

So I'm not putting the champagne into the fridge until the revocation of A50 has been signed, and delivered, and accepted, as reported by at least two reputable news organisations (and obviously the BBC no longer counts as reputable).
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The question then would be what would be acceptable to the public
Well, we know that: just stop pissing around, #RevokeA50, and FFS let's finally get back to real life.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:57
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Mine is not quite the same. Lets just leave and then get back to real life. Just as valid.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 20:58
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Something I found very interesting and I think I remarked on before some time ago, was Steve Bannon, on an LBC interview (around a year ago), stating that under no circumstances would the elites allow restriction of freedom of movement in the UK, and whatever the final outcome this would continue. He was very emphatic about this point.

Whatever you think of him, he's a pretty sharp guy, and it made me stand up and notice at least.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Lets just leave and then get back to real life.
Unicorn territory. Can't happen.

If we leave then we will be full-on into the re-join campaign, which will dominate UK politics all day every day until it is successful.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 21:14
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Mine is not quite the same. Lets just leave and then get back to real life. Just as valid.
Well, contrary to Parapunter's usual pronouncements borne of a self-bestowed authority, this precisely is what the outcome of the 2016 referendum mandated.

After this evening's vote, it could be possible that the Maybot's continual seeking to validate Einstein's definition of stupidity might be halted but I'm not in the least sanguine about what comes next. I suspect it will still be kicking the can down the road but, no doubt, we shall be persuaded that this is a new and positive step forward because the can is now being kicked in a different direction.

If nothing else, this whole shabby exercise puts the lie to the notion that a country deserves the government it gets. No nation could merit this delinquent and absolutely clueless non-leadership.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 21:36
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 21:46
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FTSE up today.

Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin shares all down today (especially Dublin).

Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and VW shares all down today.

What is that telling us?
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 22:00
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Real life is the EU -to have any concept of life at all before the Eu ie when we ruled the world and Great Britain meant that (well it didnt really but we could pretend) and we actually had an army etc you had to be 25 or so when we voted to join meabing you have to be 70 now so yo are hardly representative of the Uk population.

Oddly enough we voted to join in 73 and had a sort of anyone have second thoughts vote in 1975 which went 68-32 in favour. Funny that back in the stone age 70s a second referendum was easily arranged but in Global Super Britain its too difficult and undemocratic-or maybe we dont get told about ti because of the result and the margin.

i see today various idiot i quit MPs say taking no deal off the table weakens our negotiating position -really, how about leaving everything to the last minute and endless internal party squabbles instead of doing the right thing and being left completely out in the cold by the whole world hasnt done enough to weaken our negotiating posiiton already.
And if you think we are in a weak negotiating position now how do you think we will fair in trade deals with the major countries of the world who
1 Will choose the Eu over us in a heartbeat
2 Have an extremely strong negotiating position
3 Dislike us because of our arrogance and history (mistreating , invading, colonising, betraying, humilating them )
4 have nothing to export to them except advice on money laundering and buying our properties
5 Are on the other side of the world not 20 miles away
6 Are our sworn enemies -well thats what we think of Russia isnt it
and the Eu of course know
7 we will still buy German cars because they are the best and we are very snobbish about cars. Only Japan and USA make cars in te rest of the world and we are on the best terms imaginable with the japanese car industy and no one in Uk is going to buy US cars because they are crap-which most of them are and the others are lorries. and wont fit in our driveways and country lanes and only do 2 miles to the gallon
8 we will still buy French wine and food because ,well it s so nice isnt it (and cars) and have our holidays there because its a such a nice place (shame about the people )and its only 20 miles away-what will happen to all that cheap booze and those who drink it. And will we stop being the worlds largest consumer of Champagne and swilling Proseco by the gallon.
9 the french Germans and Spanish will still own most of our infrastructure, busses airports railways etc
10 know we will still go to Spain en vacance because leaving the Eu wont change our climate, even though we are the best country in the world and can do anything
11 that much of our gas and electricity comes from or through France Germany Belgium and Holland
12 We will still shop at Ikea and if we play games it might get very cold here
13 will still have Polish electricans and builders whoa re properly qualified and work hard
14 cannot replace all those invisible immigrants like Scandis Czechs Cloggies Germans etc who look the same as we do and speak English better and who we dont know are FOREIGN anyway
15 that our lovely ladies will not be pleased with increases in the price of French cosmetics but will still buy them because er they are French

shall i go on
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 22:37
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Please don't, just reading your post has given me a migraine
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 22:45
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Right Way Up View Post
Please don't, just reading your post has given me a migraine
Unfortunately it is (almost) all true. There is nothing for the no-longer-united Kingdom beyond Brexit.

I honestly don't think that even the most devoted Leavers really believe any longer that it's good for Britain. They just can't bring themselves to admit it was a mistake.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 23:43
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Well, contrary to Parapunter's usual pronouncements borne of a self-bestowed authority, this precisely is what the outcome of the 2016 referendum mandated.
Fundamentally, a little tantrum. The inevitable circular firing squad is out on manoeuvre already. Contrary to being sanguine, I have a very large amount of skin in the game, depending as I do, upon a raft of customers who to the last one, import raw materials or finished goods from Europe. I suspect, as I have always done, a number of voices in here are, to quote the estimable Danny Dyer, trotters up, filling those long, blank days of retirement with right wing thought experiments.

Well I have news for you. The parliamentary sovereignty you craved so much has been exercised & it found your Brexit wanting. Twice.

There is now no way Brexit with a deal can happen by the end of the month. Your realistic options now are remain, extend or no deal.
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 23:55
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Your realistic options now are remain, extend or no deal.
And extend is only possible with the agreement of each of the EU27. So for example Spain might agree to an extension in exchange for Gibraltar. Which I suppose is no big deal if we're already expecting to lose Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 00:01
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ORAC, That just won't do will it? You post an opinion poll showing a ten point Tory lead. No qualification of where it came from, when, sample size, methodology. The most current poll by ComRes for the Sunday Times showed Tories 36, Labour 34, LD 8, TiG 8, UKIP 6. As we could expect the LD's and TiG's to cooperate I think you can say that is 16%. On that basis with a party launch in the run up to a GE then they are definitely in the running.
A nice try to mislead, but I suppose when in such chaos such tactics may be understood if not forgiven. I would just say to Theresa ..." Do you feel lucky, punk?"
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 01:08
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It doesn't really matter now whether Britain goes for a Brexit or stays enclaved within the EU. Either way her international credibility as a functioning parliamentary democracy with the capability to strategise and enter into complex negotiations has been utterly compromised. The oft proclaimed and utterly neutered fifth largest economy in the world lies, with all its parliamentary parties in squalid tatters, a tragic ending for an absolute and utter Brussel Sprout.


Edited to add that this really is a great shame, in all respects.
Solutions please, on a postcard, before Thursday, 15 March.
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