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Old 8th Mar 2019, 20:14
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Champagne?? Pahh!!

There's much nicer English grown 'bubbly'!!

No doubt.

Last year, we spent a weekend in the Kent vineyards courtesy of the daughter - I really enjoyed the sparkling wine at Hush Heath in particular.

Problem was the cost - about £ 25 for a bottle.

Down here we can get ' real ' and quite good champagne for about € 22 and French sparkling wines from around € 5 upwards plus the ubiquitous Freixenet for about €7.

We can't get good cava, no chance whatsoever of sekt, and only very occasionally € 8 prosecco, so the chances for € 30 English sparkling wine getting a toehold are absolutely zero.





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Old 8th Mar 2019, 20:52
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Well the frog stuff will be 25% tariff so it might cheaper to drink home products.

Some on here think using UK products as a bad thing though even if it costs a bit more.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 20:58
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cost of good wine ?......

Roughly £1 per bottle; good quality, great taste, minimal tax........make your own......(UK)
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 21:23
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
To paraphrase the great man, the government are in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun, not sure how they are
going to extract themselves from this one. Every option seems to piss off plenty of people...

My contention, however, as absurd as it seems, is that the government are trying to deliberately engineer a hard Brexit surreptitiously, it fits perfectly into a future Tory ideology far more closely than any other option.
Big business is dead against Brexit and that's what the tories are all about supporting big business if anything is being engineered as opposed to just being cocked up then that thing is no brexit which is what we are going to get however it is worded
But nobody with any sense from any side of this will embrace what is to come after
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 21:25
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There is a final arbiter of what will happen on the 29th of March, HM The Queen. Any parliamentary decision to seek to delay Brexit or accept some kind of deal still has to be ratified by The Queen.

Although the Royal Family generally remain aloof from political matters, the fact is that all legislation passing through parliament is done in the name of the reigning monarch. Should The Queen decide to remain unavailable for a,few days around the end of March, default Brexit will result. There does not need to be any actual intervention of any sort, just a temporary unavailability to sign the appropriate documents.

Bearing in mind that any decision to remain shackled to the EU effectively results in Her Majesty signing away her sovereignty and perhaps breaking the promise made to her subjects upon her coronation, a royal intervention may be the only logical way to resolve the Brexit isssue. This has the singular advantage of being an instant proclamation, with no debate, no argument, and backed by the prime source of all UK law and governance.

Such action might eventually be challenged in the EU courts, but too late, the UK will no longer be subject to such court rullings.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 21:48
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Bought a couple of cases of perfectly quaffable Crozes-Hermitage in a Lidl just outside Paris today. €7.49 so around £6.50.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
There is a final arbiter of what will happen on the 29th of March, HM The Queen. Any parliamentary decision to seek to delay Brexit or accept some kind of deal still has to be ratified by The Queen.

Although the Royal Family generally remain aloof from political matters, the fact is that all legislation passing through parliament is done in the name of the reigning monarch. Should The Queen decide to remain unavailable for a,few days around the end of March, default Brexit will result. There does not need to be any actual intervention of any sort, just a temporary unavailability to sign the appropriate documents.

Bearing in mind that any decision to remain shackled to the EU effectively results in Her Majesty signing away her sovereignty and perhaps breaking the promise made to her subjects upon her coronation, a royal intervention may be the only logical way to resolve the Brexit isssue. This has the singular advantage of being an instant proclamation, with no debate, no argument, and backed by the prime source of all UK law and governance.

Such action might eventually be challenged in the EU courts, but too late, the UK will no longer be subject to such court rullings.
There is of course a significant other final arbiter regarding any delay that we may wish to request. It may be turned down by any one of the EU27. If there is not agreement from the entire 27, then we leave by default with no deal.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
hree years on nearly & she ends this as she started it, making no headway at home or abroad, deploying rank misjudgment, wrapped in cant, having learnt nothing.
Right again. Barnier skewers May in public. Not even Gouli, who is apparently detached from Earth, deserves this government.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post
If there is not agreement from the entire 27, then we leave by default with no deal.
Or we could just remain.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 22:28
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
There is a final arbiter of what will happen on the 29th of March, HM The Queen. Any parliamentary decision to seek to delay Brexit or accept some kind of deal still has to be ratified by The Queen.

Although the Royal Family generally remain aloof from political matters, the fact is that all legislation passing through parliament is done in the name of the reigning monarch. Should The Queen decide to remain unavailable for a,few days around the end of March, default Brexit will result. There does not need to be any actual intervention of any sort, just a temporary unavailability to sign the appropriate documents.

Bearing in mind that any decision to remain shackled to the EU effectively results in Her Majesty signing away her sovereignty and perhaps breaking the promise made to her subjects upon her coronation, a royal intervention may be the only logical way to resolve the Brexit isssue. This has the singular advantage of being an instant proclamation, with no debate, no argument, and backed by the prime source of all UK law and governance.

Such action might eventually be challenged in the EU courts, but too late, the UK will no longer be subject to such court rullings.
Much as I enjoy your flights of fancy, I think you have gone a little too far in suggesting that HMQ would deliberately block parliamentary legislation by absenting herself.
Quite apart from being far below her personal standards of loyalty and dedication, she knows that it would be the immediate end of the Monarchy.

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 23:02
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Or we could just remain.
Can't speak for the UK, but from what I have read, both in the news and on forums, if remain was to happen (with no way out) a lot of people would be extremely pissed off to the point of civil disobedience.

There is another school of thought that if there were another referendum, leave would increase its share*, not saying I believe that but it's worth bearing in mind as if that happens the consequences would be undoubtedly a hard Brexit (can't see this not being part of that vote).

*As articulated by a former non-partisan government minister on a Guardian podcast I have just heard.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 23:14
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The British parliament has spent the last two years destroying its own parliamentary democracy. This might suit Dominic Grieve of course because France doesn't function under such a form of government. If Parliament can still consider itself and indeed be considered by the British people to still be at the forefront of government, why on earth should the queen worry about going against the precepts of a constitutional monarchy? Such an action on her part would really just ice the cake of British constitutional collapse with which the country will soon enough have to make a reckoning.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 23:40
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
There's some tolerable Oz stuff, but I've never come across anything English - specifically what do you recommend?
"There's some tolerable Oz stuff" ... hmmmm, there will be some that will be good. However, if you are determined to stick to that corner of the world, stick to the Kiwi 'stuff', on averages it is much better.

".... but I've never come across anything English" .... WHAT???!!! You have had your "pro-EU, anti-English" blinkers on for far too long. Especially living in an area so much closer to the good producers. (But then maybe if you are stuck to only travelling on a LibDum bicycle, you can't really get around that much!) There are some exceptionally good wine producers not too far from you and English wines (especially the sparkling ones) are winning lots of world awards.

"...specifically what do you recommend?" Nyetimber is good. But I thoroughly enjoy Langham. And there are many. many more. (None at 'plonk' prices though, but then they are not produced for plonk drinkers. Sorry Hussar 54, Effluent Man, et al, I'm not trying to deprive you of your genuine enjoyment!)

But then sparkling wine is probably a perfect example of all the problems on this Thread: There are those who just cannot see that Britain can be right at the top in the world on things, especially things done by fellow Europeans. Stop running Britain down and stop being 'little-Europeans'!!!!

Britain produces some really good wines! And not only just wines.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 00:01
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Unfortunately for Britain and its people, the entire Brexit process has been tainted by fear and negativity while being team led by the remainers. There hasn't been an exiter in a position of control or authority at any time. Positive attitudes to Britain's capabilities have been completely strangled, to the complete mystification of some who live on the borders of Blighty.
During Roman times wine was exported from Britain to northern europe and other parts of the Roman Empire. Now all that is left of that trade route is the northern empire in europe.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 00:25
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
During Roman times wine was exported from Britain to northern europe and other parts of the Roman Empire. Now all that is left of that trade route is the northern empire in europe.
That is bloody hilarious, evoking a time when Britain was an actual vassal state of an actual European empire. Occupied by a foreign army and ruled from Rome. Nothing like the current situation.

Brexiteer delusion writ large. Make up your mind for heaven sake.

The reality right now is that May's deal is dead, it was dead all along. She knows it, we know it the EU knows it. The alternative? Extend article 50, that's now inevitable. Second referendum is almost inevitable but no certainty. It would result in a vote to stay in the EU because the complacent people who thought politics didn't matter will vote now. Chastened as they are.

A general election, hmm? There's a choice between a right wing Tory government proved to be an incompetent and reactionary bunch of self regarding zealots and the Labour Party who want Britain to become a kind of cold damp Cuba in Europe.

A tasty choice.

Good luck with that.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 00:47
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Unfortunately for Britain and its people, the entire Brexit process has been tainted by fear and negativity while being team led by the remainers. There hasn't been an exiter in a position of control or authority at any time. Positive attitudes to Britain's capabilities have been completely strangled, to the complete mystification of some who live on the borders of Blighty.
During Roman times wine was exported from Britain to northern europe and other parts of the Roman Empire. Now all that is left of that trade route is the northern empire in europe.
you mean apart from Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Dominic Raab, Dr Liam Fox David Davis etc. The only prominent pro BREXIT politicians that haven’t been in significant government positions were the member of parliament for the 19th century (from a pro remain constituency, how dare he not follow the instruction from his electorate) and His nigelness. Both thankfully covering the Monday to Friday 6-7pm slot on LBC.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 01:23
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There are three EU countries who will refuse to allow Article 50 to be extended, one which will probably refuse and one that will abstain from making any decision. March 29th is an absolute deadline.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 01:30
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
There are three EU countries who will refuse to allow Article 50 to be extended, one which will probably refuse and one that will abstain from making any decision. March 29th is an absolute deadline.
​​Interesting can you elaborate?
If true I'd imagine no deal is becoming more of a certainty!
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 02:04
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As an example, Spain will refuse due to national elections coming up shortly and the on going dispute with Gibraltar and control of fisheries in the area around the rock. Greece and Italy will refuse due to lack of UK support in dealing with the Mediterranean migrant issue. Poland may abstain or refuse simply to discomfort France and Germany.

The exact results of any future EU vote on Article 50 may change subject to internal deals being agreed in advance of any vote with concessions being granted to certain states in order to guarantee support or abstention in the normal way of EU politics. With less than three weeks to go, it is doubtful that the EU will be able to negotiate a consensus across all member states in that timeframe.

Then of course there are the EU elections in June and it is very probable that several EU member states will be keen to get the uncertainties over Brexit over and done with well before this date. Even the nations with no axe to grind against the UK are eager to get the whole affair resolved as quickly as possible. Brexit is an unneccessary distraction from other internal EU matters and is causing difficulties planning future budgets and projects within the EU.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 06:02
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Before opening the link, I have a responsibility to make readers aware it contains a photograph of the unlamented deceased and another of Barbara Cartland, who, it seems, in addition to being an over hyped and less than mediocre author, also had a secondary career as a snake oil saleswoman....... the medical world may be fascinated to learn about this capsule that takes "oxygen to every part of the body "......I always thunked this happened c/o the bloodstream but, seemingly not !

On the subject of snake oil salesmen however, scroll down and who should get a mention ?....non other than a young Dave !....singling the praises of ?....the EU !

Possibly, we can't be certain of course, the praise was dictated and misheard as excellent can easily, and certainly in Daves case, sound like excrement .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500386
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