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Old 5th Mar 2019, 14:51
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post


Which country? Just curious. Do they have an FTA with the EU?

I'm guessing USA, but in my recollection clearance docs still had to be done, duty and VAT collected up front, and stuff only got delivered with any speed if the customer had deferments in place, or handed a banker's draft or cash over on delivery for the duties and taxes. If I'm wrong, I shall stand corrected.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:07
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Hyperdark View Post
What?, as oppossed to the 'avoid the subject and insult the poster technique' that you employ?

Back to the matter in hand, for about 18 months now I have firmly believed the chance of us actually leaving (and I don't consider Theresa's deal meets that definition) is tiny, every week my feelings are reinforced.
I do however think that when it becomes clear to the public that we have all been taken for a ride by the career politicans and self important wreckers, there will be consequences.
Now I am unable to find a UK party I would even remotely consider voting for.
I wonder how many in this country feel the same?, I dare say a great many.
A possible solution would be to have a box on election papers stating "None of the above".
On the government petition website there is one entitled

All Ballot papers for all elections should have a box saying ďnone of the aboveĒ

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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:35
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EEA, these days they just have to show that they originated in Norway for tariff free entry but the VAT is still applicable. As such they still need inspecting.

But it was going on for years before the EU came into being.

The docs still had to exist and were usually created before it left SVG but a couple of times extras would be stuck on the same flight and they would be created and processed while it was airborne. If there was no paperwork then they got held until it was produced. Again when I was doing this it was in the 80's before Norway was even in the EEA.

and stuff only got delivered with any speed if the customer had deferments in place
And that's still available now.

Anyway this "huge" none issue isn't going to change anything with 24 days to go.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:42
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Three letter bomb IEDs were delivered in London today in Jiffy bags.

The first was delivered to Comapss House and partially ignited when opened causing a small fire. The second was located in a building close to Waterloo Syation, the third in a building close to London City Airport.

Police and and security services say all three are linked and are being investigated.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 16:14
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It's started already. French customs officers can't wait for 30th March. They are taking action already in anticipation of Brexit.

The A16 motorway near Calais became snarled up early on Tuesday. The biggest queues were close to the ferry port as well as the Channel Tunnel exit, and freight companies warned of long waits at border checkpoints​​​​
https://www.bbc.com/news/47454150
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 16:34
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Er, according to the link you posted their action is over pay and staff numbers. But, hey, letís blame it on Brexit anyway.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Er, according to the link you posted their action is over pay and staff numbers. But, hey, letís blame it on Brexit anyway.
"Union officials said their "unlimited" action was aimed at "showing what will happen with Brexit", when the UK leaves the European Union."
So yes, clearly no connection with Brexit.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:01
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Er, according to the link you posted their action is over pay and staff numbers. But, hey, let’s blame it on Brexit anyway.

The Calais dispute is down to all of he above....

According to one the "Union" (CFDT Douanes) representatives interviewed on French TV yesterday the agents are making the point that if the authorities want to maintain the current rate of movement post Brexit they will have to provide more staff ( so far they have been reluctant to do so) and/or pay for overtime...
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:32
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Britain would appear to be ruled by the mob, whether it's in what passes for parliament or on the potholed and littered highways and byways. Perhaps lessons could be learnt from the French although it is hard to see what Macron has to offer except more federalism and greater territorial control by the French and the Germans. Here comes a third world Europe to join the third empire, subservient to les cuisses de grenouilles avec choucroute and their brand their army to make sure everybody hops, skips and jumps to the tune of bubble and squeak.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:40
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I spent some time today watching the Westminster Circus on TV. Grayling made a fleeting appearance and actually left before the end of what was supposed to be his 'spot', the topic being Ferries/Brexit etc. When tackled over the issue of his handling of the extra ferries contract, he blamed Labour and then tried to say this action was necessary as there was some fear that the NHS would run out of essential medicines. He used this NHS excuse (with accompanying blame for Labour). When the subject came around to the £33Million bung to Eurotunnel, the emphasis switched from essential NHS supplies. It seems his department had agreed the payment to Eurotunnel with fixed stipulations on how Eurotunnel should use the £33M windfall. It seems they are being told they must use the money to provide new/improved security facilities at their terminals. And his lackies such as Charlie Elphicke kept heaping praise on Grayling and the Eurotunnel payment, saying how wonderful this was, getting security beefed up like this. Unfortunately for Grayling, Elphicke et al, the opposition was fielding people such as Andy McDonald, Shadow Transport Secretary and for the SNP, Joanna Cherry. Both with backgrounds in law, with Ms Cherry being a QC. And they ripped the whole settlement idea for bog paper!
As for Grayling, he was asked who had decided to settle the legal action in this way, his answer was "a collective agreement in the cabinet", thus giving more ammunition to the opposition to call for an incompetent government to sod off. I don't think he was helped either by Edward Leigh coming to his aid by blaming other government Ministers for everything by claiming they had blocked Grayling's spending money on 'No Deal Brexit' planning.
Speaking of Elphicke, why is he allowed in Parliament at all? He has been suspended pending an investigation into 2 allegations of sexual misconduct. May allowed him back into the Conservative fold when she was desperate for allies when she was facing a no confidence vote. If it was right to suspend him when the allegations were first made, surely it is right he should remain suspended now until the allegations have been fully investigated?
And then, there is Margaret Hodge. A politician I used to admire, I think she is losing it. This morning, on the Today programme, she was banging on about anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Fair enough, I thought, I should listen to hear what the lady has to say. In her rant, she quoted 3 or 4 examples of stuff seen on social media. And each one related to anti-Israeli or anti-Zionist smears. None of them nice and none of them acceptable. But not, in my view anyway, anti-semitic. By the end of her stint she had gone down considerably in my view.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:44
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Britain would appear to be ruled by the mob, whether it's in what passes for parliament or on the potholed and littered highways and byways. Perhaps lessons could be learnt from the French although it is hard to see what Macron has to offer except more federalism and greater territorial control by the French and the Germans. Here comes a third world Europe to join the third empire, subservient to les cuisses de grenouilles avec choucroute and their brand their army to make sure everybody hops, skips and jumps to the tune of bubble and squeak.
At this point, and it's "nothing personal " as they were wont to say in Belfast, buuuut, could you possibly translate the above into English wot can be understood by, say, everybody else on JB rather than an author who appears to have been a shade over indulgent with the ( select stimulant of choice here....albeit you already have it seems ) ...

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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
At this point, and it's "nothing personal " as they were wont to say in Belfast, buuuut, could you possibly translate the above into English wot can be understood by, say, everybody else on JB rather than an author who appears to have been a shade over indulgent with the ( select stimulant of choice here....albeit you already have it seems ) ...
You beat me to it. I know what every word in CCs post means, but I haven't a clue as to the meaning of that last sentence
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:57
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Here comes a third world Europe to join the third empire, subservient to les cuisses de grenouilles avec choucroute and their brand their army to make sure everybody hops, skips and jumps to the tune of bubble and squeak.
This?

One reads diligently until one reads a disconnected stream of letters and realises one hasn't a clue what has just been read.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 18:15
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
EEA, these days they just have to show that they originated in Norway for tariff free entry but the VAT is still applicable. As such they still need inspecting.

But it was going on for years before the EU came into being.

The docs still had to exist and were usually created before it left SVG but a couple of times extras would be stuck on the same flight and they would be created and processed while it was airborne. If there was no paperwork then they got held until it was produced. Again when I was doing this it was in the 80's before Norway was even in the EEA.



And that's still available now.

Anyway this "huge" none issue isn't going to change anything with 24 days to go.

agreed it wonít change anything with 24 days to go. But I canít help thinking that had we gone in the direction of the EEA we wouldnít have had quite this mess that we currently have (provided, that is, that they would have been happy for us to join)
Instead we will have to lever ourselves up to some form of trade agreement which is going to take an awful lot of concessions, and an awful lot of time.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
You beat me to it. I know what every word in CCs post means, but I haven't a clue as to the meaning of that last sentence
I know the meaning of every one of CC's words. Most people will.
​​​​​​It's just the way they are assembled that is a mystery.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's started already. French customs officers can't wait for 30th March. They are taking action already in anticipation of Brexit.


https://www.bbc.com/news/47454150

So French Douaniers striking for (1) a payrise and (2) an increase in staff numbers and (3) the general mood of 'pissed-offness' that Macron has caused to millions in France is the Brexiteers fault ??

A Payrise ?? Sod all to do with Brexit, EU, NATO, M&S or anyone else who doesn't work in the French Customs Service for that matter....

More staff ?? Perhaps, just perhaps, those famous 20 miles long, M20 lorry lines are going to be even longer in Calais....And if they are, then that's a French decision, not a Brexit consequence....

Pissed Offness ?? Oh yes,....The Granny Banger is finally showing his true colours and if he put as much effort into running the country of which he is President as he puts into trying to replace Frau Fatarse as the Unofficial Leader of the EU, we'd all be better off - not just our millionaires....


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Old 5th Mar 2019, 21:46
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Originally Posted by 512 View Post
A possible solution would be to have a box on election papers stating "None of the above".
You can just leave the ballot unmarked. I think it may depend on the returning officer, but all the counts I've attended the number of blank papers is read out separately to the number of spoiled ballots, so you know how many people have taken the positive decision to vote NOTA - and I don't think, in a couple of decades of attending counts, that I've heard it go into double figures.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 22:10
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My apologies and explanation for the little worth they are.

The fault lies not in the demon drink nor in Indian smoke signals of a hypnotic variety.

Here comes a third world Europe to join the third empire, subservient to les cuisses de grenouilles avec choucroute and their brand their army to make sure everybody hops, skips and jumps to the tune of bubble and squeak.

I fear that this is a direct consequence of attempting to be computer creative after wonderful love making with a woman a third of my age in an ice hut north the artic circle. One should allow gasps for breath in frigid climes to stabilise before giving the view hallo, as it were. The only question that nags my mind was whether the northern lights were real.

Here is an explanatory substitute with the translation from French inserted into the appropriate space.

Here comes a third world Europe to join the fifth republic, (A historical misspeak here in the original. The French have had so many empires and republics, it becomes confusing sometimes) subservient to the French and the Germans ( frogs legs with sauerkraut) and their brand new army (Euro army, Macron's new baby now that his wife ages somewhat?) to make sure (enforce) that everybody hops, skips and jumps to the tune of the traditional British breakfast of boiled potatoes and cabbage (bubble and squeak) (an example of sarcasm here I suspect while meaning to say that the French and the Germans are creating an army to enforce their will on all of Europe, a grand design of the future that has played out a time or two in the past.)

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. The Ides are nearly upon us.
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