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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 20:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
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We have many worn-out and overloaded commuter lines that need fixing before the environmentally destructive HS2 should be built from the taxpayer's open chequebook.
So where are those trains going to run while you are overhauling all those “worn-out and overloaded” lines if you haven’t built HS2 to take the main-line trains off them? Just a thought.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 20:23
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I would have thought it obvious, perhaps not, that one who advocates making lists of assets & interests associated with undefined notions of foreignness they dislike for people they dislike as a means of identifying political foes is both cravenly petty, irrelevant & the thin end of the wedge. That it crosses someone's mind on presumably a very lonely journey is instructive of the worst spasms of the nationalist mind.

He owns a castle. IN FRANCE, THE TRAITOR. Really? Is it that hard to grasp?

Almost as bad as that JRM bloke, and that Dyson bloke, and all the others owning companies in Ireland or Singapore and wherever....Absolute traitors, also, according to lots of you on here....

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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 20:26
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The French have twice our land area - longer distances to travel and more space to accommodate rail tracks.
They are also used to heavy mechanised tracked equipment moving over their countryside.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 20:37
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[QUOTE=NoelEvans;10405996]


So where are those trains going to run while you are overhauling all those “worn-out and overloaded” lines if you haven’t built HS2 to take the main-line trains off them? Just a thought.
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Please explain to me how a premium price single route rail service is going to take traffic off the web of commuter services radiating from each of the cities? I'd love to know how that will work.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 21:03
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I think what Noel is suggesting is that HS2 will be used as an alternative whilst the existing lines are overhauled.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
I think what Noel is suggesting is that HS2 will be used as an alternative whilst the existing lines are overhauled.
Again, that is only one route. It cannot replace or bypass all the routes from e.g. London to the south or west or east coast, or radiating from Liverpool or Manchester.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 00:03
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Next time I go to the States I'm going to Fedex Jeremy Corbyn an enormous chlorinated chicken, anonymously.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 00:07
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Whatever, getting rid of Grayling (is this still about him?) or even getting rid of the Tories won’t change that since Labour also have a manifesto commitment to complete HS2

There’s one reason and only one reason Grayling is taking flak over Runway 3: because he supports it. The councils generating this would be delighted to have him replaced with anyone, however incompetent, just so long as they were anti-aviation. Odd that sallyann should be helping the Little Englanders push that bandwagon.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 00:15
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There's no such thing anymore as a manifesto commitment that has to be honoured. That's one of the snowball consequences of the dishonourable behaviour of all the political parties and their front benches over the last two years.
Grayling is the Diane Abbott of the Conservative Party. I have no idea why he has been given the neck that he has been but I suspect the secret lies somewhere in the murky past when a television man was given the position as Lord Chancellor of England, a position that for something like five hundred years had always been held by a lawyer. In Victorian times, when one read the Illustrated London News for weekly updates on favourite fiction, Grayling could, in a Victorian dystopian world, have been cast as a blackmailing villain full of malicious intent and little ability other than the capacity to perform as a force for the detraction and destruction of society. I have no idea what Grayling's excuse might but wonder sometimes if he ever really did read history at Cambridge.

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:22
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"Re your earlier comment on HS2, I agree there’s other stuff I’d spend the billions on first."


Hence you will be ecstatic to learn Treeza also shares this view !.......however, there's a catch.

It's always nice to read the "caring party " have the nations overall interests at heart, even more so when this enables them to make a gesture of goodwill towards those who, unfortunately, seemed to have been inexplicably overlooked....for a decade...or two...or three..... no doubt the floral hanging baskets adoring the lampposts will be welcomed by the residents of the towns mentioned. Oh, nearly forgot....flushed with success Treeza seems to feel a bribe / bung is the simple answer to any little problems that she encounters.....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ck-brexit-deal

In other news, and with deepest apologies to S&G here...... " welcome back Tommy Robinson...UKIP loves you more than you will know..wo..wo..wo " Going back to the parties roots it seems.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arty-far-right

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:30
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-demand-brexit

Geoffrey Cox 'ditches UK demand for Brexit backstop end date and unilateral exit clause'

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox risks fresh anger from Conservative Brexiteers amid reports he has shelved attempts to try and put a time limit or unilateral exit clause on the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.

According to the Telegraph, the Cabinet minister - who has been leading efforts to secure changes to Theresa May's Brexit deal - has conceded that the two major demands of Tory eurosceptics are too "blunt" and will not be accepted by the European Union. Ministers briefed on Mr Cox's thinking said he is instead trying to secure an independent "arbitration mechanism" allowing Britain or Brussels to serve notice that the backstop should come to an end.........

The EU has meanwhile insisted that any arbitration mechanism agreed by the two sides should be overseen by the European Court of Justice, another no-no as far as the Brexiteers are concerned.........

The report comes after Conservative Eurosceptics made it clear that an exit mechanism and expiry date remain central to any backing they might give Mrs May's deal when she brings it back to the Commons for a second meaningful vote. Eight Brexiteers - led by veteran Tory Sir Bill Cash - are due to weigh up the outcome of the attorney general's talks with the EU before telling fellow Brexiteers whether or not to get behind the Prime Minister. The so-called "star chamber", has already called for a "clearly worded, legally binding, treaty-level clause which unambiguously overrides" the text of the Prime Minister's withdrawal agreement........

Tory MP Steve Baker - a key player in the European Research Group of MPs - said he did not "want to pre-judge the work of the star chamber". But he signalled that the approach being pursued by the Attorney General was unlikely to win support among his colleagues. “This seems to indicate a satirical approach to fulfilling the Brady amendment which the Government whipped for," he told The Telegraph. “The Brady amendment required that you replace the backstop with alternative arrangements. That's light years away from tweaking arbitration mechanisms."..........

The DUP's Westminster leader Nigel Dodds on Sunday night made it clear that his party - who Mrs May relies on for her slim Commons majority - would any only accept legally binding, treaty-level change to the deal.

"We need something which, whatever its legal form, has legal binding effect and which changes the current meaning of the Withdrawal Agreement, and which makes clear that it cannot be indefinite, and it cannot be a trap both for the United Kingdom generally and for Northern Ireland in particular," he told the BBC's Westminster Hour. Mr Dodds added: "It has to be treaty-level change. It has to be a change which isn’t some kind of subordinate document. It has to be treaty-level, legally binding, which makes it very very clear that the current interpretation, the current meaning of the Withdrawal Agreement, is re-opened and changed."......







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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:34
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So nothing changed as usual, 25 days to go...tick tock.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:42
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The EU has been consistent on the backstop since December 2017. Foolish to believe otherwise.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:43
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This is reminiscent of the start of the American Civil War. Thought you signed up to a political union could leave? Think again......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...brexit-no-deal

Could Gina Miller’s next move compel the EU to delay Brexit?

In a crisis, imagination is as important as commitment – and Gina Millerhas both. As 29 March hoves ominously into view, the investment manager, who successfully challenged the government’s authority to invoke article 50 without parliamentary approval, is making another significant intervention in the Brexit process – more subtle this time, but no less worthy of political and legal attention.

Having used the courts in 2017 to give parliament a say in the triggering of article 50, Miller is now, I gather, seeking to reframe the way in which Westminster and Brussels contemplate the possibility of its extension. Armed with a legal opinion written by Kieron Beal QC and three other senior lawyers, the co-founder of the pro-remain campaign Lead Not Leave will argue that the EU council of ministers could itself, unilaterally, extend the article 50 deadline.

Why should it even contemplate doing so? First, because – as Miller’s legal paper points out – “the wording of article 50(3) presupposes that the European council take the decisive lead with the consent of the withdrawing member state”. Second, because the EU has a legal duty to all its member states to ensure that any such withdrawal is not damaging to what article 13(1) of the treaty on European Union calls the “consistency, effectiveness and continuity of its policies and actions”, or to the principle spelled out in article 13(2): “Pursuant to the principle of sincere cooperation the EU and the member states shall, in full mutual respect, assist each other in carrying out the tasks which flow from the treaties.”...........

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 07:46
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25 days to go. And then, whatever Brexit we have at that stage, the negotiations will start. And they will go on. And on.
excerpt below from interview between Der Speigel and Sir Ivan Rogers Ivan Rogers on Brexit: "What Surprises Me Is the Extent of the Mess" - SPIEGEL ONLINE

DER SPIEGEL: How long will it take to sort out the future relationship?

Rogers: Much longer than many people think. The planned trade deal is not "the easiest in human history," as Liam Fox has claimed. It's not easy to solve for one simple reason: This is the first trade deal in history where partners are seeking to get further apart. All trade deals I've ever worked on were about getting closer together and dismantling barriers to trade. We are now deliberately re-erecting barriers, seeking a thinner relationship than the one we have. We like the free trade with Europe, but not the European institutions. Well, that's not on offer. That's why the next step of the negotiations will be conflictual again. The Europeans will say: There must be a reason why you wanted to leave and diverge from our model, please tell us what degree of divergency you want and why. You only need to say it that way to realize that this will not take months, but years.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 08:03
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For once we agree...… And thanks to them it will ensure a no deal exit without a backstop.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 08:38
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thanks to them
Thanks to the side that has been transparent & consistent for well over a year? You are what I would politely term an unreliable witness. This mess belongs to May & her (ex) ministers.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 09:04
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25 days to go. And then, whatever Brexit we have at that stage, the negotiations will start. And they will go on. And on.
I think I said that is how it should have been after the referendum or at least after article 50 - out at that point with everything steady as she goes and the aim to complete the withdrawal in 2 years. Instead it looks as if negotiations only start properly next month.

Tescoapp, we your following post, I agree. Procrastination is a human condition.

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 09:19
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No chance it's only one side's fault. And both sides will suffer due to it.

It's been pretty obvious from the start that nothing productive was going to be done until the UK is unrestricted out. This withdrawal deal is just going to extend the fannying about.
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