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Old 28th Feb 2019, 06:04
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Annoyed leavers would also be in the mix so it would be completely uncharted territory.

The polls are basically stuffed hard exit or cancelling. And the Eu doesn't want anything workable in the middle.


Cancelling would create more problems than no deal exit. Glad I am not a politician

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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:01
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I meant politician's. Sorry on phone

But actually your interpretation is also correct as well. The polling analysis has no history to be able to refine the data to predict anything add in the pissed off who don't normally bother voting and nobody has a clue.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:03
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...tain-qswjw8637

Not sure if something similar has been posted.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:17
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nothing positive on Brexit gets posted or if it does it will be removed.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:25
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ExRigger, that is what shows how confused the whole thing is. The pound strengthens, the stock market goes up and down but the trend is generally
upward. The political picture remains confused.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:35
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There is a raft of stuff not being reported in the Media which I will admit is completely contradictory and more likely to confuse than anything else.
It doesn't make good headlines and some of it has potential for causing runs on banks and markets if it spooks the general population of both UK and the other member states.

You have a personal choice what you personally think will happen and you have to sort out your own plan to deal with it.

The pound is currently under valued and if no deal exit occurs is likely to drop to sub 1:1 with the euro. At that point a lot of people myself included will bang in a load of cash to invest in the UK. Its going to go crazy for a while. Every time something gets announced it will swing up and down more wildly than it is at the moment.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:36
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
EThe political picture remains confused.
PN, agree, but is that possibly down to politicians being in a position they have not been in before, one of making their own decisions on the future of the UK without their support network of the EU management, the same people they have been able to blame for their own mis-management in the past, just a thought/opinion.

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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:44
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one of making their own decisions on the future of the UK without their support network of the EU management
I think its more the case that they can make a decision without having to stick to the EU rules. Most current ones have never done the job without this umbrella. Also as well it is extremely rare outside war time that they have such a hard timescale to deal with and one which can't be adjusted on a whim.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:53
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ExRigger, partly, but I would suggest that they can discuss and make as many different plans as they wish but they are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

The EU has set out its position and that is the only position to work from. Certainly 2 years ago it was correct that we set out our position. Where (if) there was common ground then that could have been taken off the table. It wasn't.

Of the EU position, if Parliament rules a single item as an unpalatable (I actually typed unalterable but auto correct is true too), then game over; we crash out or they allow us to stay in.

The alternative might be for the EU, not to actual concede a demand but, to itself suggest blurring the red line and see if that might be acceptable. Either way our Parliament is impotent and any 11th hour decision is all a theirs, hence Macron and Merkel being annoyed with Tusk 'blinking'.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 07:59
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PN that might work if the EU's plan was actually to accept that the UK is leaving and actually wanted a deal.

Currently the plan is to try and make things so that it forces the Government to cancel the exit. There will be absolutely nothing given that will be acceptable. Its either UK accepts utter defeat or out on the day.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:04
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Tesco, bet right and you might make a fortune.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:07
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PN, I don't see the EU conceding anything, and as has been said before why should they, the only deal on the table they accept is the one that is not acceptable to either remain or leave politicians, so that currently leaves the default exit, any accepted delay agreed with the EU would still just leave us with accept the deal, or the default exit further down the line. Another referendum or GE would be a risky strategy as they would be taking a punt on the polls, and we all know how correct they have been in the past. Again, this is just my take on things.

Just spotted this: https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/uk...ts-907523.html
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:33
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I don't gamble, you stack things so you are up either way. Otherwise you just as likely to loose the lot.

The even attempting to make a fortune is usually the fall down of most people like me.

I just go steady and bounce between making small amounts which add up over time and when it gets silly go and do some plumbing and sort out my new roof which is paid for by the bouncing.

There will be people that will make a fortune. But realistically I will be happier with a new roof and a work of art of a plumbing setup which will last 50 odd years than making enough I can take the family on 3 long haul holidays for 2 weeks at a time for the next 5 years.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:39
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I don't think there's been a government in Britain, or an opposition for that matter, as appalling as this one since that of Frederick, Lord North. He was prime minister from 1770-1782 and spectacularly bungled and bamboozled his way through to losing the colonies, thenceforward known as the USA, for Britain.
If ever someone deserved the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, the one more usually reserved for the creators of artistic monstrosities, it would be La May.
Poor old North, at least, two hundred and fifty years later, he's met his match for sheer creative ineptitude.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 08:46
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The thing is I see her as a John Major type that was sacrificed because none of the top players would touch it because they expected to get booted out of government.

In the previous threads and this one its been predicted thousands of times that she would be out on her ear within days. Still in the hot seat with days to go to exit.

If she was as incompetent as people on here say she would just be a name in the history books by now.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:17
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The thing is I see her as a John Major type that was sacrificed because none of the top players would touch it because they expected to get booted out of government.

In the previous threads and this one its been predicted thousands of times that she would be out on her ear within days. Still in the hot seat with days to go to exit.

If she was as incompetent as people on here say she would just be a name in the history books by now.
And as also been mentioned, as you yourself say in your opening line, she's only still there because nobody else in her party, not even Boris, will touch the job with the proverbial bargepole.....however....this will change after March 29th ( she's said she isn't going to "lead " them into the next GE...mind you she also said she wasn't going to have a GE a short while ago, so this may yet become another "U" turn) .... when her toxic legacy is enshrined in UK political history and thereafter, as has also been mentioned, it's back to gambolling through the wheat fields for Treeza
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
The thing is I see her as a John Major type that was sacrificed because none of the top players would touch it because they expected to get booted out of government.
Top players? Boris, with his frequent issues with the truth; Jeremy Hunt whose grasp of foreign affairs is so good he can’t even remember his wife’s nationality? Then there’s Gove who can’t be trusted not to knife his colleagues in the back: Sajid Javid who has yet to see a Daily Mail headline he couldn’t pander to; Philip Hammond who is hated by everyone in his party even slightly inclined to Brexit; and Grayling, who I only mention for comic effect!

In the previous threads and this one its been predicted thousands of times that she would be out on her ear within days. Still in the hot seat with days to go to exit.

If she was as incompetent as people on here say she would just be a name in the history books by now.
See above! Although the main point is one you miss - it was quickly apparent after she took over that the whole Brexit thing was going to turn into the debacle it has become, and so even those who think they could lead, regardless of competence, don’t need much nouse to keep as far out of the firing line as possible until either the withdrawal agreement is finally signed off, or until circumstances or a second referendum kill Brexit. If everything does drop into place and we do indeed leave on 29th March, I would be surprised to see her give the leader’s speech at the Tory part conference in September.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:35
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If she was as incompetent as people on here say she would just be a name in the history books by now.
This is my favourite hot take of the morning. Let's see now, Theresa May not that incompetent. Sets out red lines that neatly create an impossible circle to square. Set's the clock running without a plan. Spends the fat end of two years fannying around arguing with her own government before coming up with some deal or other that manages to unite the nation in hating it. Tries to go behind the backs of the EU commission leading directly to the Salzburg humiliation. Meanwhile, loses high court attempt to circumvent Parliament. Becomes first PM to lead a government held in contempt of Parliament. Loses meaningful vote in Parliament, having insisted she would win it, then postponing it and is forced to return to parliament to offer plan B. Makes noises about 'alternative arrangements' ping pongs backwards & forwards to Brussels plainly without 'alternative arrangements'. EU & several European leaders make nice noises in between issuing dire warnings about UK's attitude to the actual real world. Returns to parliament, pulls next meaningful vote, generally fannys around with procedural guff & various amendments in a naked attempt to run the clock down in a wholly cynical attempt to bounce MP's into exhausting any alternative but to accept her deal, gambling with the very lives & prosperity of the population she's sworn to protect.

Meanwhile, on some airplane website, a bunch of reactionary EU haters spends the greater part of their days constructing narratives holding anyone but the Government & themselves to account for this unprecedented farce & presently some one or other responds to this post, apoplectic that I said reactionary, neatly showing off their entirely reactionary credentials without realising it.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:47
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PP, a masterly summary, concise and pertinent and impossible to disagree with.🙏

PS, I guess someone will.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 11:00
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...tain-qswjw8637

Not sure if something similar has been posted.
Is that the good news we've been wanting for?

“The truth is that British assets are in the global bargain basement,” he said. “Investment funds like these are not putting money into creating jobs or improving productivity, they are just buying up assets at a relatively cheap price in the hope that in the long term it will make them money.”
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