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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:01
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Various shadowy data firms funded by rigjr wing billionaires including Robert Mercer targeting social media floating voters? Yes.

But sure, conspiracy theories. Noncense...
I can almost see you frothing at the mouth. Are you suggesting Mr Mercer committed a criminal act?
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Wonder where the remain grammar and spelling lecturers are, or do they only correct those posts that are perceived, or known, to be by exit voters.
Examples please.

We know of Tescoapp, which remainers are in need of 6 of the best 😀
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:15
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#5448 & #5423, there are others but even that would be nit picking to a greater extent than the usual noted errors.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
#5448 & #5423, there are others but even that would be nit picking to a greater extent than the usual noted errors.
Agree but not worth the effort 😁
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:28
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Dear me!
Is this page sponsored or even hosted by Charles Dodgson? Whatever, it can provide interesting reading, providing one doesn't take anything too seriously.
Re the alleged hurt over the use of the term 'nonce'; I was surprised a few years ago when I heard this used to describe a sexual predator. I had known the term for a long while before this but it was always used in the sense of a silly (maybe even stupid) person.
As for the non-delivery of the Referendum info flyers, delivered to every household in the UK, I was pleased to see I am not the only person still waiting for theirs! And I would not blame the postmen, rather the incompetent idiots either at Westminster or their particular favourite "contractor" at the time.
Parapunter has hit a nail partially on the head here:
Or a non binding, advisory referendum
. There are those who believe the UK population decided we must get out of the EU. The preceding quote gives the lie to that. I thought it was Parliament that decided we had to leave. They could have approached the results of the referendum in a different way but they chose to disregard the terms "advisory" & "non-binding", presumably to suit various political purposes. Thinking back to the time of the "Leave or Remain" hysteria, I can remember quite clearly the red bus and its slogans but I can't remember a similar campaign from the Remain side. Was there something similar from them?
My objections to the EU were my dislike of being part of a Federal State, which, despite protestations to the contrary, the EU certainly is. And I also din't like the idea of being ruled by 4 Presidents, none of which I elected. I wonder how many people have realised this? No fewer than 4 Presidents at any one time! What kind of circus requires so many? I could quite comfortably live with some of the EU rules, such as free trade. It has to be governed somehow to stop the chancers dumping crap on the member countries or manufacturers setting up operations somewhere "poor" and paying the workers 2 ollies and a frog to produce their goods. And free movement of people between the member states is something else I was quite happy about. It seems to have worked fine between UK & Ireland since the 1920s. But then, they didn't have the over ambitious cowboy named Varadkar back then!
On the distaff side, we have this great migration of the European Parliament every month from Brussels to Strasbourg. I wonder what this costs Mr & Mrs tax payer each year? Not to mention the idea that at least a part of the European Parliament resides in Luxembourg. I wouldn't object to the Parliament having departments based in different countries/cities but having a "roaming" Parliament?
4 bloody Presidents indeed!
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:34
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No doubt your approach at Board meetings.
I used to get incredibly bored at meetings.....especially those involving the military in more recent times.



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Old 27th Feb 2019, 17:42
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It demonstrates the sheer fanaticism of Leavers that they are prepared to pay money to leave. My brother and his wife share this fanaticism. They can't explain it in logical terms it's just a feeling that they have. I would be prepared to pay a small price to remain, but only an amount that represented any advantage in terms of travel within the EU.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 17:48
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EM, I think you're right and probably many leavers would actually like to retain parts of our membership.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:17
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EM, I think you're right and probably many leavers would actually like to retain parts of our membership.
Most of the people I know in my local (very non-representative sample, mainly farmers and ex-service people) voted to leave. I'd guess that pretty much all of them support the idea of a common market. The reason many chose to vote to leave was creeping federalism, and the removal of governance from Westminster to Brussels. Lots of anecdotes (probably many with little factual basis) to reinforce their views. Most have no confidence in our government. None seem to support Theresa May (despite this being a constituency where you could pin a blue rosette on a chimpanzee and it would get elected). Most (probably all) don't trust the EU at all, and believe that it's an undemocratic gravy train supported by corruption (not a view I share, my view is that it's typical of all large, uncontrolled, bureaucracies, a big self-licking lollipop).
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:26
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I would be prepared to pay a small price to remain, but only an amount that represented any advantage in terms of travel within the EU.
You will have your wish once the UK leaves the EU. A small fee for a travel visa will grant you access to travel freely around the EU. The main difference to the current arrangement is that this fee is only payable by those who wish to avail themselves of the delights across The Channel. No need to pay an annual standing charge, even if you don't want to visit.

You only pay for the facilities you choose to access and use. Win, win.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:26
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
it's typical of all large, uncontrolled, bureaucracies, a big self-licking lollipop).
I really like that analogy.

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
EM, I think you're right and probably many leavers would actually like to retain parts of our membership.
Many leavers were told they could cherry pick bits of the EU offer to retain. They were lied to.

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
You only pay for the facilities you choose to access and use. Win, win.
Very true.

Except you may have less wealth with which to pay.

I recall when you could visit the Continent, well as far as France, but could take no more than FIVE POUNDS to pay for everything.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:35
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VP, re your last, I know 4 Service and Ex (self included) who would broadly agree with your leaver example. We are all remainers.

Not easy to find a common thread is it?
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:08
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They want us out.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...rkel-lpxjl63ns

No extension without a plan, warn Macron and Merkel

European leaders will only grant Britain an extension to Article 50 if it can be “justified” by a clear objective, French and German leaders have warned.

In a hardline response to Theresa May’s announcement, President Macron of France said it would need to result in “new British choices”. He was backed by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, who adopted a softer tone but added she was on “the same line” as Mr Macron......

The French and German leaders were speaking after holding bilateral talks in Paris. Alongside the Dutch leader Mark Rutte and the Spanish prime minister Pedro Sánchez they are seen as the critical voices within the EU27 who will dictate the term of any extension if it is ask for by Mrs May at a summit on March 21.

“Our views are totally united, the withdrawal agreement cannot be renegotiated,” Mr Marcon said. “If the British need more time we can consider an extension if it is justified by new British choices. But we could in no way accept an extension without a clear view of the objective being pursued. We don’t need time, we need decisions. The moment has come for the British to choose and offer us what partners, allies and friends owe each other, which is to say a clear vision, a common project for the future.”

Mrs Merkel said: “We are on the same line. The withdrawal agreement is applicable. If Britain needs a bit more time, we will not say no, but we want an organised departure of the UK from the EU.”......

In a sign of a new tougher line from the EU, Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, has been slapped down by EU governments for suggesting on Monday that “an extension would be a rational solution”. The EU’s agreed line is that if Britain wants to avoid a no-deal Brexit then the House of Commons needs to ratify the withdrawal agreement.

“He was totally out of order and out of line. People are very angry,” said a European ambassador. “The EU is not taking no deal off the table and offering an extension. The only way to avoid no deal is to get the withdrawal agreement over the line. It was incredibly unhelpful of him to take the pressure off at this moment.”.....






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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:20
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That seems an entirely reasonable position for the EU to take. We've had thirty two months to sort this out and it's hardly their fault if people were given such wildly optimistic expectations that the reality cannot match them. Well if NoDeal is not an option then No Brexit it is then.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:21
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They are going for the final bluff.... Cancel or sex and travel.

And I really hope they stick to it.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:31
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They will..Theresa will cave.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:36
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An extension just delays the issue, and likely muddies the water more, and may well end up the same as where we are today, or should I say you are.

Haven't heard much of the business side... surely businesses are then subjected to MORE uncertainty ... and by the time a decision is finally made... the ones that are deciding whether to go have already scarpered.

No extension without a plan, warn Macron and Merkel
Only thing I can think of is a general election... anything less will be submerged into the current swamp.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:37
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
They are going for the final bluff.... Cancel or sex and travel.

And I really hope they stick to it.
There's no bluff and there never has been.
They just say it like it is and always has been
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 20:46
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There's no bluff and there never has been.
They just say it like it is and always has been
The German car industry is cutting it a bit fine.
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