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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:11
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Most of us don't hate Europe, its a continent.

The European Union we don't think the UK should be in. And have various levels of dislike for the people running it and their ideas.

As such we cannot vote to leave Europe we are in it unless major tectonic events occur.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:21
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All that's missing so far today is some superannuated garden botherer invoking the war (again).
What an awful comment. But then that's how you come across - to me, that is.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:23
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just run with it jindabyne, I presume he isn't jewish or he would have mentioned that as well
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:24
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You can be as obtuse as you like, it would be hard for a cretin in a hurry to misinterpret what I meant by Europe & your feeble efforts to pin your predicted UK recession on Europe & Trump don't work either.

You know full well business & capital are taking flight because of this mess, you're merely one more Brexit wallah in a sea of them who refuses to accept responsibility for their actions. It would amuse me if any of you were to acknowledge what you've done, break the habit of a lifetime & all that.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:28
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Are well yet again your going to be disappointed in life. You can remain unamused.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:33
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QED. Blow the place up, run away, blame anyone but yourself, crow about your financial acumen. What a guy.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:41
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What an awful comment. But then that's how you come across - to me, that is.
I was curious to know what he meant by this. Perhaps Parapunter may explain.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:45
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I won't be running away as you put it. I have still capital in the UK and plenty of investments which I envisage doing well in the medium term. I have got rid of my exposure to EU investments because I think they are going to do particularly badly in the same time period. In fact I will be increase my exposure to the UK market significantly in the month of April with any luck.

My UK investments currently are involved with getting 50 odd young people trough good engineering apprenticeships giving skills to the UK job market.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 11:33
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PM just about to announce live that the choices now are: My Deal, No Deal or Delay.

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 11:39
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So nothing new.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 11:51
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Anyone still willing to put money on the UK leaving the EU on 29.3.19 at 23:00?? Listening to TM just now I certainly wouldn't, mind you I wasn't prepared to at breakfast time this morning.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 11:57
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Why on earth does RM TM not sack Liam Fox

He promised a simple deal with the EU on trade- he has nothing

Would strike, ha ha what a word for a Tory, 40 deals equivalent to those we have with the EU by exit day- how many has he got ? Answer 7 how many of the seven are countries of consequence none and three of them are just the same as the deal with the EU with that deleted and UK inserted, that justified a lot of first class travel didnt it

David Davis got sacked for doing far better , Boris got sacked admittedly fr being even more useless , so what or who is she cared of
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Why on earth does RM TM not sack Liam Fox

He promised a simple deal with the EU on trade- he has nothing

Would strike, ha ha what a word for a Tory, 40 deals equivalent to those we have with the EU by exit day- how many has he got ? Answer 7 how many of the seven are countries of consequence none and three of them are just the same as the deal with the EU with that deleted and UK inserted, that justified a lot of first class travel didnt it

David Davis got sacked for doing far better , Boris got sacked admittedly fr being even more useless , so what or who is she cared of
Who is going to be in charge of our trade negotiations with the EU, I wonder?

After this government's shining success in negotiating an exit arrangement, a simple matter like trade agreements should be a piece of cake.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 12:12
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I don't think delaying Art 50 is a choice, it's just pushing the choice down the road, it still has to be made, a form of May deal or no deal. As far as I can see any further referendum would require legislation to frame both it, and the question. I can't see a majority for a question that has one remain option and two leave ones given the number of Labour MPs whose seats depend on Leave supporters. A decision by Parlaiment to unilaterally revoke Art 50 would be regarded as the ultimate betrayal of the referendum by the political elite.

I know that any industrial bad news is immediately paraded as a direct consequence of the Brexit vote, however I read an interesting piece in the Telegraph yesterday, link here.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...s-shipbuilder/

For balance it is worth remembering that industry in most other EU countries is undergoing considerable challenges as capacity moves east. The article suggests France has lost 1m manufacturing jobs over the last 20 years and some leading industrialists there blame protectionist policies of the EU for strangling competitiveness and causing the decline.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 12:28
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post

, Boris got sacked admittedly fr being even more useless , so what or who is she cared of
I believe he resigned rather than sacked, or you might say jumped before . . .
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 12:59
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I won't be running away as you put it. I have still capital in the UK and plenty of investments which I envisage doing well in the medium term. I have got rid of my exposure to EU investments because I think they are going to do particularly badly in the same time period. In fact I will be increase my exposure to the UK market significantly in the month of April with any luck.

My UK investments currently are involved with getting 50 odd young people trough good engineering apprenticeships giving skills to the UK job market.
Well let us all hope that there will be a job for them to go to when they finish their courses.

But it won't effect me either way, there will be a recession this summer what ever happens. I have set up for that and in or out.
In a recession the first thing that happens is apprentices are told there's no job for them. Sorry. (BA early 80s, three years of apprentices went into cabin crew, baggage handling and revenue accounts or left the company on a severance package. Many never returned. What a waste.

But, hey well done you for making sure that you're alright jack! Do you have any empathy for those that do not have your business acumen. We can't all be private stock brokers you know. If this recession (depression) is as predicted, enjoy your wealth, the rest of us will be at the food banks!
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 14:02
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They are already in an above min wage job. And as long as the pound stays below 1.22 it won't effect things. In fact canceling will cause more issues than delay or crash out.
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I do have sympathy for people getting caught up by it through no fault of there own.

​​​​The excuse though from people we can't leave because the UK is not prepared for it tends to come those that complain the most about anything done to prepare for it. It is wearing a bit thin.

I don't have much sympathy though for those that say they said there was going to be deal so I didn't do anything when they could have.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
They are already in an above min wage job. And as long as the pound stays below 1.22 it won't effect things. In fact canceling will cause more issues than delay or crash out.
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I do have sympathy for people getting caught up by it through no fault of there own.

​​​​The excuse though from people we can't leave because the UK is not prepared for it tends to come those that complain the most about anything done to prepare for it. It is wearing a bit thin.

I don't have much sympathy though for those that say they said there was going to be deal so I didn't do anything when they could have.
Those who get caught up in the inconsequential little matter of redundancy , as you seem to understand redundancy as being, generally have no input or choice.

Re the underlined, you may have missed the extensive use of the word "uncertainty " recently......I wonder why this might be ?

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 15:36
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Youíre honestly talking about ďuncertaintyĒ having defended Labourís position?? Not even a ghost of a plan, nothing other than blocking any and every government step. Now they donít even want to leave at all. Or maybe they do. Who knows? Keeping all options on the table.,,but late for that isnít it?

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Youíre honestly talking about ďuncertaintyĒ having defended Labourís position?? Not even a ghost of a plan, nothing other than blocking any and every government step. Now they donít even want to leave at all. Or maybe they do. Who knows? Keeping all options on the table.,,but late for that isnít it?

Of course Labour has a plan. It's to get into power. As long as they can get Mcdonnell's hands on the Exchequer, they don't care whether Brexit happens or not.
Consequently anything that makes May's job more difficult will be supported. Just at the moment that seems to be to support another referendum
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