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Old 25th Feb 2019, 09:51
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KelvinD, you missed the best bit. In yesterday's paper it seems that HMRC contractors used the scheme. One woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said she expected a bill for £140k.

As you said, TT.

I hope they require them to declare their tax and pay up. If they sit tight and hope for the best I hope there is a stiff extra payment.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 11:04
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Typical EU ! ..they do realise a 21 month extension will take in 2 FA Cups and, more importantly, an Ashes Test series....the UK public will not be happy ! ...there again, with the Ashes series, this extension may prove a welcome distraction....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sources-reveal
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Typical EU ! ..they do realise a 21 month extension will take in 2 FA Cups and, more importantly, an Ashes Test series....the UK public will not be happy ! ...there again, with the Ashes series, this extension may prove a welcome distraction....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sources-reveal
21 months is a good start. We could then have another 21 months that will take us past the 2022 general election.
Now that would be fun!
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 12:24
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K n c

As ever, you.re warming up for a broadside.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 15:00
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Has Mr. Trump, who knows everything, forgotten the fact that B.M.W.'s largest factory is in the United States? Maybe he thinks that all the vehicles they produce are designed to bring down the 'Murrican' way of life!
He probably fails to grasp that every BMW X-Drive model sold in Europe is actually manufacturered in the USA. If he pushes too hard watch BMW pull that production from the US and take it back in house in Germany, or somewhere else in the EU. Trump's sanctions against China can't be doing BMW X-Drive sales any favours in China, and when China starts buying cars again BMW will want to be well placed to satisfy the market demand.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 15:06
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Car manufacture exemplifies the global nature of production. What most of us consider as the national origin of a product is often way off the mark. In UK we know we produce Japanese cars and we still think Japanese rather than British. I am sure it is the same in the US.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 15:11
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That's the trouble with intense nationalism. It doesn't consider the unintended consequences, as we have seen with Brexit.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That's the trouble with intense nationalism. It doesn't consider the unintended consequences, as we have seen with Brexit.
And British businesses (I imagine businesses in many other countries too) play upon this nationalism. Prime example at the moment is Vauxhall's "A British brand for..." (I forget how many years) that you hear on radio commercials at the moment, when the reality is that Vauxhall is French now, and actually most Vauxhalls are made in Belgium, Germany, Spain etc - only a few, including the Astra, are made in UK.

The difference between a "brand", and by whom a product (or for that matter a service) is actually made have become very blurred in recent years, but people get taken in by it in an effort to "buy British, "buy American" or whatever else.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 16:31
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Good to see Mrs M 'focuused on leaving the Eu on time' no mention of with what kind of deal , terms of trade, new non existent trade agreements, objections from the whole UK business community etc etc etc . And Jeremy Corbyn was castigated for calling her a stupid woman . How lucky we are as a country to be blessed with such leadership on both sides and such a plethora of talent waiting in the wings no wonder we are the best country in the world at everything.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 16:44
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Good to see Mrs M 'focuused on leaving the Eu on time' no mention of with what kind of deal , terms of trade, new non existent trade agreements, objections from the whole UK business community etc etc etc . And Jeremy Corbyn was castigated for calling her a stupid woman . How lucky we are as a country to be blessed with such leadership on both sides and such a plethora of talent waiting in the wings no wonder we are the best country in the world at everything.
If we could impeach a Prime Minister on the grounds of incompetence and / or fiddling whilst Rome (well the UK anyway) was burning then I feel sure that Mrs. May would have gone months ago. I doubt we have ever had such an incompetent Prime Minister, so wedded, as Yasmin Alabhi Brown said yesterday on BBC Radio 4s "Broadcasting House" programme, to the policies of the Brexit Jihadists, with absolutely no regard for the future of the country, it's working population, or it's business community.

Listening, again to R4 today, I think there'll be more resignations from the Tory party in the next 7 days, and the way that Tom Watson is talking, I could see him joining the "Tigger Party" if Corbyn doesn't start changing course, not just on Brexit, but on antisemitism too.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 16:51
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if Corbyn doesn't start changing course, not just on Brexit, but on antisemitism too.
Funny you should mention that...

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Old 25th Feb 2019, 18:27
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Well we wondered who would blink first..and it's Corbyn!
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 18:56
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Indeed. Although announcements based on what he thought would have looked best in yesterday’s newspapers can hardly be described as a “policy”. If it does result in a second vote it would serve Rees-Mogg etc right. The mere fact it may happen demonstrates how badly the ERG overplayed their hand with their last Commons rebellion.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 19:52
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Well we wondered who would blink first..and it's Corbyn!
Possibly. But all he's saying is that he might have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a PV if his unicorns don't turn up, and that's hardly different to what he's been saying all along.

And there are rumours that he won't actually support a PV until after 29 March, when it'll be useless, because until then he won't know for sure that he's not getting his unicorns.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 19:58
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Nice idea Jezzer, but a bit late in the day to bring that one to the table. I feel sure 35M voters do NOT want to go back in time 2.5 years, but good to know you've got a finger on the pulse, as always. Now off you trot and go fiddle about in the allotment ...we'll give you a shout when all this Brexit stuff is done and dusted.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 20:54
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Royal Consent

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019...xtension-bill/

“Conclusion

It would appear, therefore, that EUWA2019 would directly affect the prerogative and consequently the Cooper Bill must secure Royal Consent under long established internal House of Commons procedures requiring positive ministerial action and approval. This means the Government can prevent the Bill from passing by not seeking Royal Consent. It follows therefore that not only are there mechanisms available to the Government to ensure that the Cooper Bill falls, but, more importantly, the inevitably controversial decision to advise the Queen to refuse Royal Assent can be avoided.

The reason that these mechanisms and procedures are relatively unknown is because it is so rare for the royal prerogative to be affected by a Bill, particularly one to which the Government is opposed. If the Bill had been proposed or sanctioned by the Government, Royal Consent would obviously be a formality.

It is suggested, therefore, that notwithstanding the increasing political discussion around the Cooper Bill, the Government retains the ability to insist that the only choices available to Parliament, for as long as the Government remains in office, are: 1) the Prime Minister’s deal, or 2) no deal.....”

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 05:28
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Nice idea Jezzer, but a bit late in the day to bring that one to the table. I feel sure 35M voters do NOT want to go back in time 2.5 years, but good to know you've got a finger on the pulse, as always. Now off you trot and go fiddle about in the allotment ...we'll give you a shout when all this Brexit stuff is done and dusted.
Slight numerical problem here.....you forgot to put a 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 / 9 / 10 / 11 ..continue increments hereafter...before the 2.5.becuase those figures would be far more representative of how far back in time they wish to go.

And so to another JB adored analogy.... WW2......C4 News did an interesting piece on this theme last night......Caution : Contains images of Dave, Boris, Farage, Gordon Brown ( for balance ) a red bus and JR-M conducting a suitably ponderous lecture to demonstrate his interpretation of European history. Also contains aviation .....and a very sensible lady.

Please ensure your table is bedecked with a suitable red white and blue tablecloth, plastic Union Jack flags surrounding the cruet and the record player has a supply of Vera whatsernames jingoistic renditions available before viewing over brekkies.......institutionalised chaps should also remember to say grace.

https://www.channel4.com/news/brexit...-and-remainers

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 06:11
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This thrêad has all gone very quiet. I do wonder if it's the tick-tock, suck it up Remainers it's happening anyway on the 29th brigade being confronted with the reality that it's not going to happen.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 06:56
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https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...im-in-vietnam/

Cabinet showdown: For her part, May is braced for one of the stormiest Cabinet meetings of recent times (a high bar) this morning as she prepares to offer MPs the chance to delay Brexit. The Evening Standard broke the story yesterday afternoon, before multiple lobby journos confirmed it on their return from the PM’s trip to Egypt last night. ITV’s Robert Peston, Bloomberg’s Tim Ross and the Sun’s Tom Newton Dunn all have similar versions of the same tale. In essence, it seems May has decided to head off a damaging defeat on the Cooper-Letwin amendment tomorrow night by pledging to give MPs the chance to extend Article 50 herself. And it’s safe to say that is not going to go down well with everyone in the Tory ranks.

How it’s going to work: The FT’s George Parker filed the most detailed account early this morning. “Under Mrs. May’s plan, to be presented to Cabinet, MPs would be given a ‘meaningful vote’ on a revised exit deal by March 12,” he writes. “According to the prime minister’s allies, if the Commons rejected the deal again then Mrs. May would give MPs a vote on whether to press ahead with a no-deal Brexit on March 29, or to opt for ‘a short extension’ to the Article 50 exit process. Downing Street believes there is now a solid Commons majority against a no-deal exit, suggesting that if Tory Euroskeptics refused to back the deal next month then Brexit would be delayed by perhaps a couple of months.”

Out of her hands: If confirmed, May’s new position has been forced upon her by the threat of mass resignations from junior and senior ministers who stand ready to back the Cooper-Letwin amendment to block no deal. The Daily Mail this morning carries another extraordinary op-ed from a trio of Remain-supporting ministers — this time Climate Change Minister Claire Perry, Business Minister Richard Harrington and Digital Minister Margot James — threatening to quit if she does not rule out no deal. If she fails to do so, the trio writes “we will have no choice other than to join MPs of all parties and fellow ministers in acting in the national interest to prevent a disaster in less than five weeks that we may regret forever.”

And there’s more: The Mail says 23 Remainer ministers met secretly in the Commons yesterday to discuss the strategy, and that up to 15 will quit to vote against no deal if necessary. One big question is whether May’s new pledge will be enough to head off the rebellion.

The other big question: Is whether it will even get through Cabinet unscathed. Everyone is expecting an enormous row when the meeting convenes at 9.30 a.m., with one aide telling Newsnight’s Nick Watt “they should be selling tickets to see this one for thousands of pounds.” A minister tells the FT an “explosion is guaranteed” from Tory Brexiteers when they are confronted with May’s new strategy, while another says the PM will need Remainer protection. “It’s taken a lot of hard work to get this far,” the minister tells the FT. “We need a wall of support for the PM to get this through the Cabinet.”
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 07:17
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ises-8m62g6fh3

Labour’s support has fallen below the combined total for the new Independent Group and the Liberal Democrats.

A YouGov poll for The Times asked people how they would vote if they could support the Independent Group (TIG) in their constituency. The poll found the Tories on 36 per cent, down two points from last week and Labour on 23 per cent, down three points. TIG received a four-point boost, at 18 per cent, with the Lib Dems on 6 per cent, down one. The result means that TIG and the Lib Dems, which support a second referendum, are on a combined 24 per cent, one point ahead of Labour, underlining the potential scale of the challenge to Labour from pro-referendum parties.......

Only 57 per cent of voters who supported Labour in the 2017 general election would do so again tomorrow if they were given the option of voting for TIG, the poll found. Some 28 per cent of Labour voters in 2017 said they would support TIG, compared with 9 per cent of Conservatives......

Asked to choose who would be the best prime minister, 39 per cent said Theresa May, down one point, while Mr Corbyn was on 16 per cent, down three, with 45 per cent unsure or refusing to answer. Only 37 per cent of the people who voted Labour in 2017 said Mr Corbyn would be the best prime minister...........
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