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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:08
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How many of you Brexiteers understand that the most likely outcome of a hard brexit is a Marxist government under Corbyn?
Not what you voted for? Actually it's exactly what you voted for.
That's now a likely scenario thanks to Tory bungling and division. A hard Brexit will damage ordinary people so badly that they will punish the Conservatives by voting in Labour led by the softly spoken Corbyn. But make no mistake he's a hardline Communist and a very clever man. A Brexiteer to his core and a lifelong Marxist.
I doubt if you voted for that.




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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
How many of you Brexiteers understand that the most likely outcome of a hard brexit is a Marxist government under Corbyn?
Not what you voted for? Actually it's exactly what you voted for.
That's now a likely scenario thanks to Tory bungling and division. A hard Brexit will damage ordinary people so badly that they will punish the Conservatives by voting in Labour led by the softly spoken Corbyn. But make no mistake he's a hardline Communist and a very clever man. A Brexiteer to his core and a lifelong Marxist.
I doubt if you voted for that.
They have been warned of exactly this for the past couple of years, and just laughed it off.

"We are going to get a wonderful deal from the EU because they need us more than we need them."
"They will give way at the last minute."
"We just have to hold our nerve,"
etc etc.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:20
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The public, both educated and semi literate seem completely unaware that continued membership of the EU is the only instrument, for want of a better word, the economic rules of which would stop the Marxists from instituting their catastrophic reign of financial terror on Britain. One evil empire, Pelion on Ossa, lead one to the inescapable conclusion that the EU is preferable to the red peril. At least one could have a golden sovereign or two in one's pocket.
And if you don't believe my tale so tall, have a look at what young Seamus Milne is up to these days.
Faced with a Communist government one would really expect the Queen to send in the cavalry.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:25
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I object to the notion that Jeremy Corbyn is a very clever man. Very clever men read books.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Very clever men read books.
Unless they already know it all . . .
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:33
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I have it on reliable authority that Jeremy Corbyn is a very, very useful idiot. Seamus Milne, my great friend, who went to Winchester College, a place with which I am well acquainted, told me so in a dream.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:40
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He's clever. He played a long game. The prize is in sight for him. The Tories are about to immolate themselves. No matter what happens they as are about to self destruct, deal or no deal.
The centre will not hold. They are out whether pushed or deselected.
Britain is on the verge of the unthinkable. A Marxist government.
Unintended consequences.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:49
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Savvy maybe. Clever? no. He's flat footed, unable to think on his feet, unable to overhaul the worst government in my lifetime, full of deceit, indolent & stuck with an atrophied ideology bequeathed to him by Tony Benn he's unwilling and unable to update. He's 40 years out of date, I sincerely doubt he will become prime minister before he wrecks his own party.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:53
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Once the Marxists get into power, you may rest assured that by whatever means are necessary, they will remain in power. In a country that thinks it is a democracy, it might require a democratic process to get the Marxists into #10 but once in authority a democratic process will not be able to dislodge them quite so easily.
Corbyn has been nothing more than a Trojan horse for some time now which goes to prove that Marxists are darned dangerous for they can read and comprehend the classics.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:59
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Can they read a map? Specifically the Nordics?
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 23:02
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Corybn is only the front man for the real people you need to worry about.

Can't see them getting a majority government so they will be limited what they can do.

And once out I can't see the Tory's voting themselves out a job. To ensure an exit I can see them doing it. But not after.

Anyway that's the vote going to take place on the crap deal 2 weeks before departure date. One spoiler amendment which can easily be bypassed the day afterwards.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 23:10
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You underestimate him at your peril. Besides it's not just him. There's his fellow travellers. He's just the tip of the iceberg. In any case he'll be thrust aside in due course when it suits.
This is the moment the left has been waiting for, chaos. The right in disarray. The public divided.

The public? They'll seek certainty and are easily bribed as a certain slogan on a certain bus proves. Populism isn't just a right wing thing.

You might say it couldn't happen in Britain. You'd be wrong. It's already happened just not on a national scale.

After the next election you could wake up to Jeremy visiting the Queen to form a government just before he abolishes the monarchy and ensures Putin style that it will be PM for life.


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Old 25th Feb 2019, 00:22
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So the latest scare story is that Brexit will guarantee a Marxist government?

That must be why the troops are on standby, not for Brexit but in case JC makes a serious bid for power!

The only way the Conservatives will be ousted is if they fail to deliver Brexit on time and with no concessions to the EU. No deal Brexit will ensure that Labour remain in the wilderness because if the UK economy does falter somewhat, everyone knows and experience has shown that Labour are guaranteed to bankrupt the country. (That would apply whether the UK was to remain in the EU or not in the current global economic climate.)
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 05:29
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Savvy maybe. Clever? no. He's flat footed, unable to think on his feet, unable to overhaul the worst government in my lifetime, full of deceit, indolent & stuck with an atrophied ideology bequeathed to him by Tony Benn he's unwilling and unable to update. He's 40 years out of date, I sincerely doubt he will become prime minister before he wrecks his own party.
Allow me to offer this from today's Guardian......

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/feb/24/ben-jennings-on-efforts-to-get-jeremy-corbyn-to-support-a-
second-referendum-cartoon


Back to the outbreak of mass hysteria on JB regarding a future Marxist Gov't for the UK......
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 06:31
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Quite. The hysteria over magic grandad . Only here does it supplant the abomination of May. There is no negotiaton with the EU, no negotiaton with Corbyn, no compromise with parliament, no 'alternative arrangements' only a tin eared political pygmy relentlessly marching towards the cliff edge.

It's hugely telling that the focus in here should be on the guy not running the show when the PM is proving herself to be manifestly the worst, most selfish, most dangerous wrecker in history, looking out only for her party while the country decays before our very eyes.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 06:50
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Quite. The hysteria over magic grandad . Only here does it supplant the abomination of May. There is no negotiaton with the EU, no negotiaton with Corbyn, no compromise with parliament, no 'alternative arrangements' only a tin eared political pygmy relentlessly marching towards the cliff edge.

It's hugely telling that the focus in here should be on the guy not running the show when the PM is proving herself to be manifestly the worst, most selfish, most dangerous wrecker in history, looking out only for her party while the country decays before our very eyes.
Point of order ( minimal ) here please. Treeza has just given a fleeting mention to domestic policies. .....so it shows she has the nations interests at heart....

Here's Treeza chilling out.....difficult to decide what's on her soundtrack...."Abide with me " ....or "Driftaway "

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-after-brexit

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Old 25th Feb 2019, 07:07
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Speaking of HM Government, did anyone listen to the money programme on Radio 4 last night? It seems HMRC has been empowered in a recent government act to go after tax avoiders with a bigger gun than they previously had.
Some people have been using schemes in which they don't take a salary; they take a "loan" which isn't liable to Income Tax. HMRC has ruled this is a tax avoidance scheme, pure and simple and they have given these dodgers until April to repay avoided tax. And the recent act allows them to apply this retroactively back as far as 1999. There was an interview with an IT Consultant who was crying that he is suddenly liable for £300,00. Tough titty mate. I paid my taxes on time. Your turn!
The amounts outstanding are estimated to be in the tens of billions.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 07:22
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 07:30
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Only here does it supplant the abomination of May. There is no negotiaton with the EU, no negotiaton with Corbyn, no compromise with parliament, no 'alternative arrangements' only a tin eared political pygmy relentlessly marching towards the cliff edge.
I have a suspicion that most of what we see is a son et lumiere and The bureaucrats have everything worked out to their own mutual satisfaction......

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...s-the-hustler/

“.......Covering this weekend’s summit at the luxury seaside resort in Egypt (it’s a tough job, but someone has to do it), my POLITICO colleague Tom McTague reveals the PM was given a stark warning by European Council President Donald Tusk last night that the EU will not shift an inch until it knows for sure she can win a majority in parliament. “EU leaders may revisit the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement if May can narrow her demands to a single concrete proposal, backed by parliament,” Tom reports. If she can manage that, he adds, the changes would be signed off by EU leaders at the last European Council summit before Brexit Day, on March 20 to 21.

But it begs the question: How can the PM prove she has parliamentary backing for the sort of legal tweak under discussion in Brussels?

The answer comes via another big scoop from the Telegraph’s Steven Swinford, who has been leaked details of a No. 10 paper circulated over the weekend setting out possible ways to head off Wednesday’s “High Noon” votes. One was to press ahead with the meaningful vote this week — a proposal which has clearly now been canned. But a second option is to hold a “conditional vote” in the Commons on a legal change to the Irish backstop — to be set out in advance by Attorney General Geoffrey Cox — that would show the EU that such a move would win the support of MPs. “Ministers believe a conditional vote on the attorney general’s plans for a new legal text to ensure the Irish backstop is strictly time-limited could help strengthen the prime minister’s hand in Brussels,” Swinford writes........

Reality check: All those musing a short delay to Brexit should probably note today’s Guardian front-pager by Daniel Boffey, who reports the EU has very different ideas of how long any extension should be. He says a 21-month delay is more appealing to Brussels, as it would avoid the whole crisis reigniting this summer. “If leaders see any purpose in extending … they will not do a rolling cliff-edge, but go long to ensure a decent period to solve the outstanding issues or batten down the hatches,” an EU diplomat tells Boffey. “A 21-month extension makes sense as it would cover the multi-financial framework.” Remember that any extension to Article 50 — including its length — has to be agreed by all 28 EU member countries.

All sound familiar? A showdown vote shortly before Brexit Day, with the threat of a “long” delay to Brexit the only real alternative to May’s deal, is exactly the scenario the PM’s chief Europe adviser Olly Robbins was overheard discussing in a Brussels bar earlier this month. Funny how these things turn out........”
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 07:32
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Corbyn is not the one to worry about. He's just the useful idiot. It's the two behind him who are the danger and he will be pushed aside when the time comes.
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