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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:24
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Seems I don't, given the sneering.
up to form I see
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:26
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You can't make generalisations on motives for voting. As a teenager who had a poster of Dr. David Butler rather than Bobby Moore on his wall ( just kidding it was Sue George) I have studied psephology all my life. Party is the main decider and that tends to be following parents voting but there are many other factors. Party will carry lower significance the more local the election. This theory about 80% of votes being cast for Leave parties is a typical Banksie scam. Most Labour voters in 2017 probably thought Corbyn was a Remainer. He had after all lied about voting that way.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:26
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You sure were. Enoy your Friday.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:34
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TBH Andrew I canít work out whether you are trolling
C'mon, this is Jet Blast, everybody is trolling, that's what it's here for.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 20:53
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C'mon, this is Jet Blast, everybody is trolling, that's what it's here for.
Well, you just showed your cards
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 21:16
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Oooohhh I do like that Heidi Allen though. She could talk filth to me about Brexit all night... !

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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 06:02
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Contracts.....always an infallible way to spend taxpayers money ( Grayling may, or may not, be involved ) and thus another £104m is being happily chucked in the direction of anybody and everybody who views Brexit as a useful source to enhance their profits.....

It does beg the question though, given the plethora of ( self infatuated ) "expertise " from the leave fraternity as to whether JB will be also included in this latest demonstration of largesse .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47338534
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 06:45
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Right from the beginning of the Brexit process two mutually incompatible demands have been clear. The EU has consistently maintained that memebership of the EU was essential to gain entitlement to special benefits and that no deals could be agreed while the UK remained a member of the EU.

The UK position has been to suggest that the EU should break their own rules and negotiate a deal that allows bilateral trade without any other preconditions.

Neither the EU nor the UK are prepared to budge, so the default option of "no deal Brexit" has become increasingly likely.

I feel inclined to suggest that this may well have been the UK Government's strategy all along. The two and a half year delay and investment of four billion Pounds to plan for a no deal scenario will have given the UK a head start on the rest of the EU who remained convinced that the UK would never walk away without some sort of agreement.

Distracting the EU with talks on a potential agreement while being aware all along that no agreement would be possible seems to be the only logical conclusion to draw. It seems obvious in hindsight that to do nothing while the clock ran down on Brexit would allow the EU to make detailed preparations for Brexit.

Perhaps the UK is somewhat more prepared than we have been led to believe by the media. A fairly detailed plan has already been proposed, so even if no deal is agreed before Brexit, that plan can certainly be tweaked very quickly to form the basis of an agreement after Brexit.

So, four billion Pounds well spent so long as we can just hold out for another five weeks.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:00
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post


I feel inclined to suggest that this may well have been the UK Government's strategy all along. The two and a half year delay and investment of four billion Pounds to plan for a no deal scenario will have given the UK a head start on the rest of the EU who remained convinced that the UK would never walk away without some sort of agreement.
The difficulty with this made up fairy tale is the EU spent fifteen minutes agreeing a position in 2016, have never even once deviated from it an inch and yet here you are painting a picture that not only bears no relation to actual events but failed even to wave at them as they headed in the opposite direction at 120kmh (80 when it's raining).

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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:05
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Par for JB.

The main, and indeed probably the only flaw, is suggesting that we had a strategy and that is could last more than two years.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:05
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GOULI

I feel inclined to suggest that this may well have been the UK Government's strategy all along. The two and a half year delay and investment of four billion Pounds to plan for a no deal scenario will have given the UK a head start on the rest of the EU who remained convinced that the UK would never walk away without some sort of agreement.
Itís fairly clear some in the U.K. were convinced that the EU would blink first...problem is that naive POV is exactly what has got the U.K. into the current mess...

You will be glad to hear that EU member states and companies in the EU have been preparing for Brexit for some time now, but of course the preparations made in a provincial industrial European town are not likely to make the U.K. MSM.

Would it be fair to point out that the EU only have to prepare for one member state leaving, they are not the ones who have to prepare to leave an entire trading block?

But Iím sure the U.K. is also in secret fully prepared......
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:16
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The tiresome subtext in posts like Gouli's is always the same. The evil EU and it's mendacious foreigners working day & night to subjugate a plucky United Kingdom, turning their face at the repeated extension of a traditional British hand of friendship

It's utter guff. We voted to leave a rules based organisation encompassing 27 other nation states prepared to accept those rules. Insinuating unreasonableness on the part of the EU is merely one more manifestation of the inadequacies of the leave campaign, It is in effect transferring blame for the inevitable consequences of a poorly thought through Tory party obsession from themselves to the organisation they despise so much. Exhibit 5954 of several million:

Right from the beginning of the Brexit process two mutually incompatible demands have been clear. The EU has consistently maintained that memebership of the EU was essential to gain entitlement to special benefits and that no deals could be agreed while the UK remained a member of the EU.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:21
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I've heard it all now. Andrew Bridgen just blamed the EU for the current impasse. His argument: they forced Theresa May to do such a bad deal that she can't get it through parliament. Doesn't show much confidence in his leader.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:50
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Sayings that have got us where we are now...up the creek with a very small paddle:

“ They need us more than we need them”

”They’ll blink, you know...”

The complete unwillingness to recognise the asymmetry between the two parties here is almost Blackadderesque...

Maybe one of the UK’s plan for dealing with Brexit actually involves issuing everybody with pencils and Y-fronts in the morning of 29th March....


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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 09:11
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... is almost Blackadderesque...

Maybe one of the UKís plan for dealing with Brexit actually involves issuing everybody with pencils and Y-fronts in the morning of 29th March....


Riggy,

Knowing what you are directly referring to, you could not possibly be implying that there is a direct connection with Europe's historical inability to conduct its own politics, are you?

Wibble (... that well know Lancashire river)!
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 09:39
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Riggy,

Knowing what you are directly referring to, you could not possibly be implying that there is a direct connection with Europe's historical inability to conduct its own politics, are you?

Wibble (... that well know Lancashire river)!
Well that might be one way of looking at it,, OTOH I’m increasingly perceiving this mindset from some posters here:




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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 10:17
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The devil is in the details. The only way that the British public can be sure they are not being stitched up by the EU or UK Government is for no deal Brexit to occur on the 29th of March. The referendum result was for the UK to leave the EU. Any deal that maintains links or controls to the EU becomes a form of Brexit in name only. That is completely unacceptable.

The UK has been forced to take and live with difficult decisions before. I have consistently maintained a position of supporting hard Brexit for the last two and a half years. I will maintain this stance until we are finally rid of the EU on the 29th of March.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 10:20
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Then you are an unthinking vandal in a huge minority.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 10:32
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Yes it is a huge minority that want what we want. But there is also a huge minority that want what you want. The there is the colossal majority in the middle that are fed up with the whole thing.

But to be honest our minority have everything stacked in their favour for getting what we want.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 11:56
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You can forward my details to the authorities as well Parapunter. Iím another unthinking vandal. And not in a huge minority. A majority of 52 to 48. What donít you understand about you losing?
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