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Old 16th Feb 2019, 20:29
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I thought my post was clear. France has nuclear weapons but lacks financial muscle. Germany has economic power but lacks nuclear weapons. The two combined are arguably stronger than the UK, but the fact that the UK has control of both makes going it alone a reasonable proposition.

I do not deny that Brexit will be economically damaging to the UK in the short term. I do maintain that longer term prospects are much brighter and the UK will do better outside the EU than by remaining.

We have tried reform from within the EU and it didn't work. We will have far more influence operatimg outside the EU with the ability to adjust tax rates and tariffs independently. An independent European Singapore will present far more of a challenge to the EU than a country demanding rebates and tax breaks from within, where simple majority voting can defeat efforts to force reform.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 20:51
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Talking on deterrents we have Gavin Williamson stating he is "prepared to use lethal force to deter countries that flout international law" and causing a huge fuss with China. The guy is a walking time bomb, not the first time he has made an utter fool of himself, you simply don't say stuff like this unless you have the credibility and realism to back it up, and he most certainly doesn't.

Given that back in 2006 the guy was a pottery salesman and now controls UK defence strategy one really has to ask what the heck is happening? He is patently not up to the job, has little credibility within parliament and certainly none outside, and is only in the job due to the fragility of Theresa May's position.

I know Ministerial talent is at an all time low, and accepted as such, but this guy belongs nowhere near any reins of power... I'm awaiting his next foolish mutterings.. and as I'm in Moscow perhaps its time to seek out the bunkers.

And I thought "Buff" Hoon was bad.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 20:54
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I post without comment the following ITV item:

The airline (Flybmi) has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme.

Sympathies to everyone involved - especially to those who will wake up tomorrow morning without a job / income.

Small, very small, comfort, but I've often said that regular bouts of unemployment are as much a part of working as flight crew as medicals, sim sessions and type ratings. It's happened to probably 80% plus of flight crew at one time or another, but I don't know anyone who didn't eventually get back on to a flight deck with another company except those who didn't want to because they'd had enough of the accompanying uncertainty.

Anyway....Quoting FlyBMI's own Press Release, in 2018 they flew 522,000 passengers on 29,000 flights - an average of 18 passengers per flight or a Load Factor of about 40%.

Can I suggest that those numbers are far more responsible for today's events than Brexit, uncertainty over which type of Brexit, uncertainty over the UK's membership of EASA, rising fuel costs, EU Emission Trading Scheme, currency fluctuations , etc, etc and the other 101 reasons we've already heard or read about and will hear and read about over the next few days.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 21:04
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
An independent European Singapore will present far more of a challenge to the EU than a country demanding rebates and tax breaks from within, where simple majority voting can defeat efforts to force reform.
Singapore is successful because of its rigid political and economic controls. If you think the British public would accept such a government you are very much mistaken.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Singapore is successful because of its rigid political and economic controls. If you think the British public would accept such a government you are very much mistaken.
correct, really they are a capitalist Chinese country and a model of what China could become in the future.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Yes indeed, during the Falklands War, the French, or so it is rumoured, gave the Argentines rather more than just a little help with the Exocet guidance system.

No they didn't
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 22:08
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Interesting post quoted from another well known aviation forum, commenting on the flybmi insolvency- fair use excerpt:

For the people here who dismiss the Brexit as a major reason for their downfall: believe me, it's true. I own an air charter company in continental Europe (charter brokerage) and we most certainly avoid chartering a/c from UK airlines for contracts beyond March - and this not just our choice: our clients are willing to pay more for a non UK based a/c. It is all because we have no idea how legally all is going to play out AND because we don't know if airlines will be around long enough to actually operate the flights. ... Sorry pro leavers: there will be serious consequences for leaving the EU, as aviation is not the only industry this is happening in...
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 04:58
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
The UK was the number one European power prior to entering the EEC/EU. Upon leaving the EU we will once again be the number one individual nation in Europe. That is nothing to do with faded memories of Empire and past glories, it is simple financial fact. That and the availability of a nuclear deterrent. France and Germany come close, but both are somewhat lacking in either nuclear weapons or financial muscle on world markets. The UK may not be a match for the combined might of the EU, but it is still big enough to stand alone.
NO it wasn't! It was the "sick man or Europe" economy and productivity wise, with a huge balance of payments deficit, was strike torn and had only just had to go to the IMF to beg for a loan to merely keep going, the consequence of which was a devalued pound and yet another monetary crisis.

This is typical of Brexiteer rewriting of history and a stubborn resistance to actual facts.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 05:04
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Yes indeed, during the Falklands War, the French, or so it is rumoured, gave the Argentines rather more than just a little help with the Exocet guidance system.

No they did not! In fact it was precisely the opposite!
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 05:44
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Trade deals....much promoted to the electorate as being the glorious result of the UK's renaissance as the global hub ( resurgent Empire to follow ) once we've shown the EU just who runs Europe !......sorry about this Mail readers impression....anyway, here's a somewhat more sober piece.

Emily gets a mention some will be pleased to learn. Emily however doesn't always have a firm grasp of reality and would be better off saying nothing...for a change.

Back to trade deals....here's Gav, sorry Private Pike, which is a bit of insult to the character really as Pike wasn't quite as daft as he was portrayed as being......Gav, however, is...screwing up a visit to China in this respect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ervative-anger



https://www.theguardian.com/business...e-deals-brexit
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 06:12
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Reference France and Exocet missiles. In truth, they helped both sides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 06:26
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That’s not (pun) as I quite remember it from my working with Burma Star and the South African Falkand War British Appeal Fund in those war days in order to raise money for the dependants of those British servicemen and civilians killed or injured in the conflict. There were many civilians involved, killled and injured. The French did the dirty on the Brits who in turn only had the withdrawal of Simonstown as a South Atlantic base to blame upon themselves. Incidentally, South African feeling was extraordinarily anti British during the Falkland campaign but that will probably have no effect post proper Brexit. Today’s fruit and citrus export market is far too important to SA. Mind you, give it a couple of years of farm requisition here or there and there’ll be no more lush south of the Limpopo.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 06:45
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If the owner of the European air charter company who posted earlier is correct, it represents a rare silver-lining. My own employer last year closed three bases to its UK fleet to bring in Lithuanian and Latvian charter aircraft, the original British pilots made to choose between redundancy or enforced relocation. If such charters are reduced or eliminated as he suggests the net effect will be positive for UK pilots
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 06:51
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
If the owner of the European air charter company who posted earlier is correct, it represents a rare silver-lining. My own employer last year closed three bases to its UK fleet to bring in Lithuanian and Latvian charter aircraft, the original British pilots made to choose between redundancy or enforced relocation. If such charters are reduced or eliminated as he suggests the net effect will be positive for UK pilots
Or, if the move was down to reducing costs it may just mean that the routes donít operate at all as they can no longer be run at a profit.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 07:25
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So why would they continue to run them then?? The routes were and continue to be entirely busy and profitable. Tens of thousands of British holidaymakers are still spending their hard-earned pounds to fly on them; the only change is now much of the revenue and all of the employment is diverted abroad.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
... the only change is now much of the revenue and all of the employment is diverted abroad.
Something we've been hearing a lot just lately.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 08:23
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
So why would they continue to run them then?? The routes were and continue to be entirely busy and profitable. Tens of thousands of British holidaymakers are still spending their hard-earned pounds to fly on them; the only change is now much of the revenue and all of the employment is diverted abroad.
Iím guessing that the cost of flagging out those bases is less than the cost of running them inhouse otherwise they wouldnít have done it. Thus reverting to inhouse will reduce the profitability- hopefully not by enough to make them unattractive to operate, but unfortunately that is a likely consequence. With a finite fleet size it may well be all about the relative profits of different routes, not profit v loss. Of course a lot of it will depend on how the bean counters assign internal costs - they can always show something to be profitable or loss making to suit their agenda.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 09:07
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Even if that were so, what possible benefit does the UK economy get from sacking a large group of British workers to bring in foreign ones whose wages along with all revenue associated with the charter cost will be entirely lost to our economy?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
No they didn't
Yes they did.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 10:21
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Another rat jumping ship...

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the UKís richest man, quits country to save billions

Brexiteer plans tax exile

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ions-35x6jphxn


A Brexiteer with no faith in the future, sensibly getting his cash out of the country.
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