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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Surely it is the remain in the EU supporters who have been responsible for generating project fear and doing everything in their power to prevent Brexit taking place, thus destabilising the economy.
Oh look, the #brexshitters are, as predicted, blaming remainers for #brexshit going pear-shaped, as predicted, because there was nowhere else it could go.

What a surprise. Not.

Phrases that leap instantly to mind include "own your shit" and "you won, suck it up".
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
The ever lengthening list of things you don't care about is immaterial. You merely fall neatly into the perverse & large subset of automaton Brexiteers who voted to take control of our borders, but simultaneously manage the feat of holding the competing notion those belonging to others don't matter AND never dwell on the idiocy of that position,
There you go with your unsubstantiated assumptions again!

I have never said how I voted. You are making unsubstantiated assumptions. So, as that is the direct evidence that I have of all of your assumptions/statements, I therefore have to take that to apply to all you other assumptions/statements.

What do I want? Probably the same as that vast majority of the population: Just get on with it and quit all the Moaning!

And get a life!! It's a nice day (the birds are twittering much more cheerfully than the electronic version!), go out for a walk. You'll feel so much better for it.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:09
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Just wait for the moaning if the EU goes tits up and disintegrates like some of us think is a strong possibility.

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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:10
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Reports of companies saying they want to leave the UK are generally dismissed as "project fear" by Brexiteers. Ok fair enough, there is always a bit of spin on anything you see in the news.

However I can't remember reading about any companies wanting to move their operations TO the UK?

Even if 9 out of 10 that threaten to leave don't actually do it, there will always be more business leaving than coming. I don't see how anyone can believe in the opposite.

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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:14
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
The EU actually wants a hard border there (due to their 'fear' of chlorinated chicken and hormone treated beef' -- wherever they might come from!). 'No deal' will be a way of providing what they want.
They don't want chlorinated chicken, hormone treated beef, goods produced with child labor etc. in the EU. If the UK post-Brexit does not want to operate according to those standards the whole of Europe adheres through an agreement to that effect, it inevitably means a hard border between the UK and the EU so that the EU can protect itself from chlorinated chicken, hormone treated beef, goods produced with child labor. It is the UK's choice if they want stay on board with what 27 other European countries regards as sensible. It is yet again a have the cake and eat it dilemma Brexiteers continually fail to understand. You cannot blame all those pesky EU regulations, the ECJ and the EC enforcing them and suggest that milk and honey will begin to flow once the UK can begin a regulatory race to the bottom when freed from EU shackles - but at the same time expect the EU to not protect itself against such a move through a treaty to that effect or, in the absence of it, a hard border..
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:20
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Just wait for the moaning if the EU goes tits up and disintegrates like some of us think is a strong possibility.
As always, that's the best you can do... the EU might fail as well.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:22
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There have been more than a few opened up offices in the UK. Engineering firms have had an increased presence for over a year now. They are just paper work exercises at the moment.

There are more than a few EU funds and company's that don't want to be only be listed in EU markets and want access to London.

Nothing will be declared or much happen until its known definitely out or in. Then there will be a flurry of companies rearranging things. And it won't be as the media are reporting or as any of us have predicted. Its a bit to fluid for them to commit to anything yet.

My mates engineering firms have all the scripts setup and ready to run on the computer databases. But they won't hit the button until its 100% certain UK is out and that won't happen until the second hand goes past the hour on the 29th.

For them given the choice between the 29th of March and a couple of months later the 29th of March will save them a heap of problems with accountancy and tax years.

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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:23
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
As always, that's the best you can do... the EU might fail as well.
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Someone put up a Twitter poll: "Do you think the EU will fail in the long run?"

Given that the sun, and indeed the entire universe, will fail in the long run, the only possible answer is "yes".
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:08
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Certainly wasn't me asking in the long run.

Next 5 years 50/50

Next 10 years 60/40 it fails.

If it survives more than 10 it's here for the long term.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:10
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Tesco’s right about one thing: the consequences of prolonged delay and uncertainty are very probably worse then those actually caused by Brexit
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:11
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As Keynes observed: " In the long run we're all dead".
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
There have been more than a few opened up offices in the UK. Engineering firms have had an increased presence for over a year now. They are just paper work exercises at the moment.

There are more than a few EU funds and company's that don't want to be only be listed in EU markets and want access to London.

Nothing will be declared or much happen until its known definitely out or in. Then there will be a flurry of companies rearranging things. And it won't be as the media are reporting or as any of us have predicted. Its a bit to fluid for them to commit to anything yet.

My mates engineering firms have all the scripts setup and ready to run on the computer databases. But they won't hit the button until its 100% certain UK is out and that won't happen until the second hand goes past the hour on the 29th.

For them given the choice between the 29th of March and a couple of months later the 29th of March will save them a heap of problems with accountancy and tax years.
So that's the best you can offer. Firms running computer scripts to keep a notional paper presence in the UK.

You reckon that's going to make up for the firms who have been moving head offices, moving production, out of the UK.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:44
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It’s not about what Tesco has to offer: is your position that any democratic exercise be nullified after the event based on the views of Nissan or Airbus Industrie? What if Corbyn were to win an election? That would cause economic damage way beyond anything from Brexit (and probably not stop it!) Would you be demanding the election be nixed?
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:49
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
It’s not about what Tesco has to offer: is your position that any democratic exercise be nullified after the event based on the views of Nissan or Airbus Industrie? What if Corbyn were to win an election? That would cause economic damage way beyond anything from Brexit (and probably not stop it!) Would you be demanding the election be nixed?
If you would care to look back to the Brexit thread in 2016, you will see that I accepted the result of the referendum there and then. There will be no re-run.
That doesn't stop me pointing out at every opportunity how disastrous Brexit is for the UK.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 10:53
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It’s not about what Tesco has to offer: is your position that any democratic exercise be nullified after the event based on the views of Nissan or Airbus Industrie
Well, if the exercise is based on a campaign of misinformation and promises that are broken after the "exercise" over and over again or turn out to be undeliverable - the answer appears to be "yes".

The point, however, is moot. The EU by now is probably so fed up with the UK that they will only accept them back on terms the UK will not like at all. You know, like the obnoxious kid in kindergarten that everybody else hopes will move to pastures new as soon as possible after endless teacher-parent conferences with headmaster Jean-Claude have led to nothing so that chaos ends and resources can be spent on all the other kids again.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 11:16
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Why even start with the “they won’t have us back” nonsense? That’s only for remoaner wet dreams.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
those pesky/treacherous/quisling remainers even though they represent by a fag paper, just under half of the plebiscite & almost certainly a majority of the people is convenient.
Keeping saying we 'won't often enough even though we lost does not make It any different. There is no way you can attribute the majority of non-voters to 'content with the status quo'. Equally they could all be in the confused/abstained/couldn't give a shit camp.

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It should have been a 'I don't know what I'm doing' klaxon as soon as we heard 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'Red, white & blue Brexit', as meaningless a pair of phrases as it's possible to conjure
Now that I agree with.

. From there, we had the triggering of Article 50 which set the clock ticking in much the same way as lighting the fuse on a stick of dynamite
My neighbour is a county disaster planner and Brexit has taken over his life. He said of only we had left back in 2016 and moved on from there. He would also agree that the majority thought as Farage said back at the time, we were out the day after the vote.

May maybe incompetent but Cameron is the one who caused this fiasco and then jumped ship despite saying he would stay.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 11:57
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
It’s not about what Tesco has to offer: is your position that any democratic exercise be nullified after the event based on the views of Nissan or Airbus Industrie? What if Corbyn were to win an election? That would cause economic damage way beyond anything from Brexit (and probably not stop it!) Would you be demanding the election be nixed?
So it boils down to this. Protect the outcome of a flawed exercise in democracy that was almost certainly interfered with by foreign powers whether Brexiters accept it or not, that was won by a technically laughable margin and that will clearly damage the country to a huge extent for years to come, entirely contrary to the promises made by it's proponents, all of whom have left the stage as in the shortish term will those who propelled us to it at the ballot box, or take a step back and ask whether we are setting course to our benefit.

As a patriotic Briton, proud of my country, it's beyond me how any leaver can possibly put themselves in the same bracket.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post


My neighbour is a county disaster planner and Brexit has taken over his life. He said of only we had left back in 2016 and moved on from there. He would also agree that the majority thought as Farage said back at the time, we were out the day after the vote.

May maybe incompetent but Cameron is the one who caused this fiasco and then jumped ship despite saying he would stay.
Not sure where to start with this. Should we take your neighbour's existential crisis as a sign we're all doomed, or is the lesson that had we cut ourselves off the day after the referendum we'd all be eating grass now, which is after all, what the past two years of fraught negotiations have been largely concerned with avoiding? Or supplementary observation, stupid people taken in by snake oil salesman & serial liar Farage shouldn't be enfranchised?

Hard to see the thrust of your points On politicians, to address the final point, I think you'll find the big beasts of Brexit, Gove, Johnson & Stewart have all either resigned, kept their heads down or as in Gove's case, buried themselves in their brief at DEFRA, undoubtedly to position himself for May's departure. Enough, I think will not forget who approved those lying ads, transfers of moneys to other campaigns acting in concert & the involving Cambridge Analytica & others.
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