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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
"It is 100 000 jobs in Germany in total, not in the car industry."

Have you ever lost your job (retrenched, whatever) and suddenly started shitting yourself about rent/mortgage, school-fees, medical-cover and food?
And wondering how long you could survive on your savings?
You worry about German workers? I think it is about time to start worrying about a much higher number of UK workers who will face hardships as a result of a hard Brexit like increased prices, lack of supplies, job losses...

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:02
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They do kill themselves with electricity quiet frequently and also don't wake up in the morning due carbon monoxide poisoning due crap ventilation.

Your a brave person to touch anything in a cellar without banging a knuckle off it before you grab it.

Btw I am using 2 pole switches in the wet areas. And no hairdryer sockets are going to be installed.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GTW, two simple questions.

What will cause the price of Moroccan raspberries, Chilean blueberries, Peruvian asparagus, and Kenyan beans to cost more?

Will Polish and Spanish fruiterers allow their imports to our market to become uncompetitive?

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Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.


I'm sure we will hear a collective national sigh of relief at this prospect ......from those who shop at food banks.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:29
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Until we understand what arrangements are in place or not, on April fools day, the question is unanswerable. And understanding that is the key to grasping why so much of UK plc is tearing its hair out.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:46
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PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:50
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Well some of us have been planning for zero arrangements to be in place from the second the result was returned.

The UK engineering firms I do a bit of project engineering for all got set up Feb last year so the tax year would be easier.

If you have planned for nothing to be in place anything extra is a bonus.

Not that anyone cares but I have just turned my ventilation on...…. Works a treat and no circuit breakers blew!!!! Relay to control the automatic baffle open and closing and blower working a treat. Baffle shuts when the blower is turned off. Right now to work out how to put a sonoff smart switch in to be able to turn the whole lot on when the CO alarm goes off.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
You appear to fundamentally misunderstand your own question. If we leave with no deal, we drop into WTO tariff schedules. The EU has nothing to do with setting tariffs on blueberries for example, imported into the UK from Chile under that scenario.

If we leave with an agreed withdrawal mechanism, then we are into the transition period under which nothing changes. Companies don't know which will happen & that causes them to either withhold importing blueberries from Chile or stockpile them at their own cost. In either of those circumstances, it's the UK causing the problem, not the EU. Why you continually point the finger at Brussels is highly instructive of a mindset completely & irreversibly closed to fundamental truths.

There is no both sides. You don't understand this.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:29
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
Except that under your 1, everything has to and from the EU has to be cleared through customs.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:35
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
The use of RCD-switches at least in the Bathrooms is usual in germany...
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:43
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I see in today's news that not only is the government being sued over the way it issued contracts for additional shipping capacity, but Grayling paid consultants 800,000 for advice on the now cancelled contract with the shipping company that had no ships to use a harbour that couldn't take them anyway.

One day when there is a judicial enquiry into how Brexit was mishandled, we might find out just how much taxpayers' money was thrown around by ministers at consultants and lawyers to absolutely no effect
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:55
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And no doubt the government will be throwing away more money in legal fees when the shipping company sues them for breach/premature cancellation of contract.
And still Grayling continues to draw a fat Minister's salary, along with all the perks!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:58
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Germany/Europe is usually is on a radial circuit from the distribution box where as the UK its usual to use a ring main.

Ring main you can have loads more outlets on and use thinner wire. Every item is fused individually plus RCB and load CB

Radial you have a lot less outlets on each spoke and its "fused" at the distribution box again with a CB.

Ring main is a bitch to fault find on... Radial is pretty easy.

Radial requires a huge distribution box for all the radial spokes

UK you can get away with using 2.5mm cable for normal sockets, its limited to 24amp and because its on a ring then that takes it up to 48 amp/ 11.5kw

Radial you looking at 4mm and its limited to 32 amp 7.75KW load.

Cookers, Showers, heat pumps and lighting are radial in the UK as well.

Its just a different philosophy, must admit the number of CB's you need in your distribution box is a pain in the bum, and you need a load more cable the radial way.
But you need less clue what your doing the radial way. Quite nice though having 3 phase as standard even if you do have to keep track on how much load is on each phase.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:01
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So why aren't you building your house in the newly liberated UK, now that we have taken back control?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:05
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One of the great moments in Parliamentary history for me, in hindsight that is, was seeing Estelle Morris resign as Education secretary in 2002, admitting she wasn't up to the job. Compare & contrast with Chris Grayling who also created one of the great HoC moments yesterday in blaming everyone but himself for the Seaborne Freight fiasco.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.
I nearly replied yesterday, then though, no, i'll leave that to GTW.

I can't see any reason why Peruvian asparagus or Kenyan beans supplies will be disrupted in any way, unless they are being flown into Ostende and trucked from there. I know that last time I was at OST there appeared to be a concentration on fruit and veg traffic, but I don't know if it was destined for the UK market, as well as continental Europe. If it comes via OST then supplies may be disrupted.

The issue is going to be products such as broccoli, tomatoes, strawberries, potatoes and the like that are trucked from Europe that will potentially be screwed up; delays and increased storage costs will inevitably lead to higher prices in the shops, and that's before we have to factor in a currency that will absolutely tank if we are stupid enough to leave with now deal.

Hope Gertie concurs when he resurfaces!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:24
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Already have properties in the UK.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:27
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Why on earth do we need tatties trucked in?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:33
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Why on earth do we need tatties trucked in?
I don't know, so that we can buy extortionately prices Italian new spuds around Christmas, and similarly overpriced Mallorcan ones in March I suppose. I also don't know why anyone buys those horrible tasteless Spanish excuses for a strawberry, but they do and there'll be an outcry when they can't get them in March, April and May this year. Snowflakes have pretty low tolerance levels!

There's no reason why we can't go back to the old days, when we ate British grown fruit and veg that was in season. Thing is that we're used to getting out of season products all year round. It's one of those yearning for the days of yore that most Brexit voters didn't factor in when putting their cross on the ballot paper, nor for that matter remainers. it simply wasn't brought up at the time, and is another reason why HMG should really have offered us a new referendum when the consequences were clear for all to see. Had they done so it might also have injected some realism into the likes of the ERG.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:59
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new referendum isn't the solution. It will take months/years to just set the question.

Eu will still be on hold while its done.

Then as soon as the EU starts forcing through more federalisation which they have to, then their will be demands for yet another referendum.
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