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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:43
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I see in today's news that not only is the government being sued over the way it issued contracts for additional shipping capacity, but Grayling paid consultants £800,000 for advice on the now cancelled contract with the shipping company that had no ships to use a harbour that couldn't take them anyway.

One day when there is a judicial enquiry into how Brexit was mishandled, we might find out just how much taxpayers' money was thrown around by ministers at consultants and lawyers to absolutely no effect
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:55
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And no doubt the government will be throwing away more money in legal fees when the shipping company sues them for breach/premature cancellation of contract.
And still Grayling continues to draw a fat Minister's salary, along with all the perks!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:58
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Germany/Europe is usually is on a radial circuit from the distribution box where as the UK its usual to use a ring main.

Ring main you can have loads more outlets on and use thinner wire. Every item is fused individually plus RCB and load CB

Radial you have a lot less outlets on each spoke and its "fused" at the distribution box again with a CB.

Ring main is a bitch to fault find on... Radial is pretty easy.

Radial requires a huge distribution box for all the radial spokes

UK you can get away with using 2.5mm cable for normal sockets, its limited to 24amp and because its on a ring then that takes it up to 48 amp/ 11.5kw

Radial you looking at 4mm and its limited to 32 amp 7.75KW load.

Cookers, Showers, heat pumps and lighting are radial in the UK as well.

Its just a different philosophy, must admit the number of CB's you need in your distribution box is a pain in the bum, and you need a load more cable the radial way.
But you need less clue what your doing the radial way. Quite nice though having 3 phase as standard even if you do have to keep track on how much load is on each phase.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:01
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So why aren't you building your house in the newly liberated UK, now that we have taken back control?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:05
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One of the great moments in Parliamentary history for me, in hindsight that is, was seeing Estelle Morris resign as Education secretary in 2002, admitting she wasn't up to the job. Compare & contrast with Chris Grayling who also created one of the great HoC moments yesterday in blaming everyone but himself for the Seaborne Freight fiasco.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.
I nearly replied yesterday, then though, no, i'll leave that to GTW.

I can't see any reason why Peruvian asparagus or Kenyan beans supplies will be disrupted in any way, unless they are being flown into Ostende and trucked from there. I know that last time I was at OST there appeared to be a concentration on fruit and veg traffic, but I don't know if it was destined for the UK market, as well as continental Europe. If it comes via OST then supplies may be disrupted.

The issue is going to be products such as broccoli, tomatoes, strawberries, potatoes and the like that are trucked from Europe that will potentially be screwed up; delays and increased storage costs will inevitably lead to higher prices in the shops, and that's before we have to factor in a currency that will absolutely tank if we are stupid enough to leave with now deal.

Hope Gertie concurs when he resurfaces!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:24
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Already have properties in the UK.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:27
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Why on earth do we need tatties trucked in?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:33
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Why on earth do we need tatties trucked in?
I don't know, so that we can buy extortionately prices Italian new spuds around Christmas, and similarly overpriced Mallorcan ones in March I suppose. I also don't know why anyone buys those horrible tasteless Spanish excuses for a strawberry, but they do and there'll be an outcry when they can't get them in March, April and May this year. Snowflakes have pretty low tolerance levels!

There's no reason why we can't go back to the old days, when we ate British grown fruit and veg that was in season. Thing is that we're used to getting out of season products all year round. It's one of those yearning for the days of yore that most Brexit voters didn't factor in when putting their cross on the ballot paper, nor for that matter remainers. it simply wasn't brought up at the time, and is another reason why HMG should really have offered us a new referendum when the consequences were clear for all to see. Had they done so it might also have injected some realism into the likes of the ERG.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:59
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new referendum isn't the solution. It will take months/years to just set the question.

Eu will still be on hold while its done.

Then as soon as the EU starts forcing through more federalisation which they have to, then their will be demands for yet another referendum.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:00
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Sainsbury are currently selling Kent grown pears that have somehow been stored through the winter.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:06
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
new referendum isn't the solution. It will take months/years to just set the question.

Eu will still be on hold while its done.

Then as soon as the EU starts forcing through more federalisation which they have to, then their will be demands for yet another referendum.
All of that is rubbish. If a GE can be set up in four weeks, so can a referendum. I don't believe we're getting one, for clarity, but I 'm bored rigid of people passing off their wish lists as facts. Same goes for EU federalisation. It's just a rallying cry for the hard of thinking.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:12
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
new referendum isn't the solution. It will take months/years to just set the question.

Eu will still be on hold while its done.

Then as soon as the EU starts forcing through more federalisation which they have to, then their will be demands for yet another referendum.
If you read my post you'll see I said "should really have offered us", I think the second referendum boat has now sailed; if somehow HMG or parliament did decide on such a course of action I'm not even sure the EU would at this stage agree to delaying our departure whilst we faffed around organising it. And I think you're right, no matter what the outcome, unless I suppose a remain result was totally overwhelming (say 70 / 30) there would be clamours for another vote, whether or not any more federalism was forced through (which I doubt there will be in the short / medium term). Actually even in the hypothetical, and highly unlikely event of a landslide in favour of remain, hard brexiteers - people like yourself, would still demand a new vote.

The EU won't go away as an issue in the UK - remainers aren't going to shut up after March either.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Parapunter
]Compare & contrast with Chris Grayling who also created one of the great HoC moments yesterday in blaming everyone but himself for the Seaborne Freight fiasco
Never thought of Corbyn as a particularly funny man, but I liked the introductory remark he just gave in the HoC criticizing the PM for making an advance copy of her speech available to him only at the very last minute. "Apparently you entrusted the Secretary of Transport with its delivery".

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There's no reason why we can't go back to the old days, when we ate British grown fruit and veg that was in season.
Well, instead of buying BMWs and Volkswagens from Germany, reverting to horse-drawn carriages for all those who cannot afford cars built by British car manufacturers appears to be a similarly likely alternative. People have become accustomed to a certain lifestyle and I doubt they will be pleased to give it up for the sake of a hard Brexit.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Grayling paid consultants £800,000 for advice
And then told Parliament that the whole fiasco hadnít cost the taxpayers a penny!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:17
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GE will take 6 weeks from the first vote of no confidence. And it doesn't have to go to the house of Lords.

A referendum first of all has to go through the Commons then the lords and back to the commons again. Then a load of hot air with committees to decide on the question.
Then it goes to the Electoral Commission to have its say on the question. This takes 12 weeks. If its unacceptable and goes back multiple by 12 weeks per trip.
The EC wants 6 months to set things up from the day the legislation is passed.
Then there is the 10 week campaign period.

All facts from PPERA and the EC.

45 days to go and your insults are still having zero effect stopping the clock.

remainers aren't going to shut up after March either
Personally I am not expecting them to either. Some of them will go to their graves complaining about it all.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:22
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Re the fruit & veg comments above; one thing that will not be missed is Dutch tomatoes. The most pointless and tasteless vegetable (OK, for the pedants, fruit) ever to be inflicted on humans!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:23
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Farage pops up like a floater again;
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?fbcl...y6LUgK9LiwGHfk
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:31
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Personally I am not expecting them to either. Some of them will go to their graves complaining about it all.
They won't because they will likely have plenty to complain about, and if things go really badly, I'm not at all sure how some hotheads might react to vocal Brexiteers in their neighbourhoods. I suspect that's one of the reasons the military is being put on standby. The regular police, given that they can't apparently deal with people's every day concerns on crime today, won't have the resources or manpower to control civil unrest, were it to raise it's ugly head.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:36
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Could happen if Brexit gets cancelled as well....

So no win really.

Even if its a rip roaring success they are going to whinge/moan and complain about it and how it happened and how unfair it all was.
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