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Old 12th Feb 2019, 07:58
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From the outside looking in......

Away from the insularity of Little / Middle Hingland, there exists the real world perspectives. Obviously these are the views of foreigners so will clearly be devoid of credibility in the minds of some here on JB, but, for those of us who take, and have, a broader outlook, they make for interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-views-brexit
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:17
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its not Poland but another country which has been decimated of all its medics and trades people to the UK.
With your daily criticism of the evil EU and your celebration of Britain's leaving, when can we expect to see you back home?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
From the outside looking in......

Away from the insularity of Little / Middle Hingland, there exists the real world perspectives. Obviously these are the views of foreigners so will clearly be devoid of credibility in the minds of some here on JB, but, for those of us who take, and have, a broader outlook, they make for interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-views-brexit
That was a good read (shame I "forgot" to pay up for their subs though).

The insular nature of the UK mass media, both broadcast and print means that to a great extent British people believe we live in some sort of bubble, and that the world, or Europe at present, revolves around us. We should spend more time, and give more attention to how a neighbours view us. It might help us collectively grow up and understand where we sit in the world. Not unimportant, but not overarchingly important either.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:57
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“It’s a bit like the crew of the Titanic deciding, by majority vote, that the iceberg really must get out of the way.”
To see an established democracy like Britain descending into this chaos and irrationality is really disheartening. It’s a very comprehensive defeat for British politics.”
It makes me want to weep. What have we come to?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:03
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Our media is supine on Brexit. Here's a précis that throws things in to stark relief.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:07
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Just heard a clip of Andrea Leadsom talking on Radio 4's Today programme, where she said that the EU has to understand what the UK parliament will accept and in essence give way accordingly. Why!!? There are two sides in a negotiation, and the UK parliament needs to realise what is and is not acceptable to the EU, based on it's rules which it will not break.

As Sallyann has said on so many occasions, this is no divorce, it is the UK leaving the EU, whilst wishing to get the best trading and political situation when we've left. If anyone has to give ground it is the UK, not the EU - but I would suggest that were May just to blur the odd red line, then the EU might just reciprocate. All that is stopping that is May's obsession with keeping The ERG and DUP on side.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:17
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ATNotts, true, anyone that travels will see things that others do better than we do, and a few things we do better. There is a very definite 'not invented here' tendency.

Roads are probably a good example. In the US a 4-way Stop at crossings seems to work. Filter on right (left) at lights seems to work. Flashing Amber at TL at night seems to work.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Why!!?

Because politics is political. Leadsom - who last week, offered a decent stab at faux outrage towards Tusk, saying that no one had voted him into his job, despite the inconvenient truth that she was a member of the government that voted him into his job on the 1st December 2014 & the 9th March 2017, as did the other 27 member states - is free to lie on the radio all she wants. What grates is Mishal Hussain on this occasion but certainly Humphries & the rest on many others letting her & her band of fools get away with it on an almost daily basis.

It's said we get the governments we deserve but the fourth estate has plenty of questions of its own to answer.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:39
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
ATNotts, true, anyone that travels will see things that others do better than we do, and a few things we do better. There is a very definite 'not invented here' tendency.

Roads are probably a good example. In the US a 4-way Stop at crossings seems to work. Filter on right (left) at lights seems to work. Flashing Amber at TL at night seems to work.
As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:42
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
ATN, and how they can wire a device so that live and neutral are controlled by the switch but we only isolate live I don't know.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
"It is 100 000 jobs in Germany in total, not in the car industry."

Have you ever lost your job (retrenched, whatever) and suddenly started shitting yourself about rent/mortgage, school-fees, medical-cover and food?
And wondering how long you could survive on your savings?
You worry about German workers? I think it is about time to start worrying about a much higher number of UK workers who will face hardships as a result of a hard Brexit like increased prices, lack of supplies, job losses...

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:02
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They do kill themselves with electricity quiet frequently and also don't wake up in the morning due carbon monoxide poisoning due crap ventilation.

Your a brave person to touch anything in a cellar without banging a knuckle off it before you grab it.

Btw I am using 2 pole switches in the wet areas. And no hairdryer sockets are going to be installed.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GTW, two simple questions.

What will cause the price of Moroccan raspberries, Chilean blueberries, Peruvian asparagus, and Kenyan beans to cost more?

Will Polish and Spanish fruiterers allow their imports to our market to become uncompetitive?

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Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Bump. GTW seems to be away. Anyone else care to answer the question?

Supermarkets can only charge what the market will bear. That Polish and Chilean blueberries are sold at essentially the same price will be down to the Supermarkets not the import price.


I'm sure we will hear a collective national sigh of relief at this prospect ......from those who shop at food banks.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:29
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Until we understand what arrangements are in place or not, on April fools day, the question is unanswerable. And understanding that is the key to grasping why so much of UK plc is tearing its hair out.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:46
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PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:50
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Well some of us have been planning for zero arrangements to be in place from the second the result was returned.

The UK engineering firms I do a bit of project engineering for all got set up Feb last year so the tax year would be easier.

If you have planned for nothing to be in place anything extra is a bonus.

Not that anyone cares but I have just turned my ventilation on...…. Works a treat and no circuit breakers blew!!!! Relay to control the automatic baffle open and closing and blower working a treat. Baffle shuts when the blower is turned off. Right now to work out how to put a sonoff smart switch in to be able to turn the whole lot on when the CO alarm goes off.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
You appear to fundamentally misunderstand your own question. If we leave with no deal, we drop into WTO tariff schedules. The EU has nothing to do with setting tariffs on blueberries for example, imported into the UK from Chile under that scenario.

If we leave with an agreed withdrawal mechanism, then we are into the transition period under which nothing changes. Companies don't know which will happen & that causes them to either withhold importing blueberries from Chile or stockpile them at their own cost. In either of those circumstances, it's the UK causing the problem, not the EU. Why you continually point the finger at Brussels is highly instructive of a mindset completely & irreversibly closed to fundamental truths.

There is no both sides. You don't understand this.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:29
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
PP, thank you. As you allude, the issue refers to all trade and in that respect the EU could help answer that now. "If you leave without a deal we will impose X tariff on Y"

In fact in the absence of forward plans on both sides there are only two options on no deal.

1. Nothing changes and trade continues uninterrupted.

2. All trade ceases and there is no cross-border trade of any sort.

Neither party has declared its hand. Which is more likely?
Except that under your 1, everything has to and from the EU has to be cleared through customs.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 11:35
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
The use of RCD-switches at least in the Bathrooms is usual in germany...
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