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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:27
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That should help stave off the now inevitable recession, deal or no deal.
Yes indeed. No extra tax on our Rolex watches
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:29
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
behind my walls and not some noisy plastic small bore pipe system glued together.
Or in our case not glued together. The plasterer did a brilliant job replastering the kitchen ceiling. 😫
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
​​​​​. Freedom of movement allows people to live & work in the EU 28. Any EU citizen can move to and remain in another EU country for up to three months.
I was aware that the major criteria was Work.

I have long held the view that we object to the EU spending some of our money in projects in our country that are not determined by our Parliament. We then don't display the EU boarding acknowledging their largess.

Then, while some departments enforce EU regulations to the letter others such as immigration are ineffective in enforcement. Where the EU works, we don't acknowledge. Where we can we moan.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 18:54
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"It is 100 000 jobs in Germany in total, not in the car industry."

Have you ever lost your job (retrenched, whatever) and suddenly started shitting yourself about rent/mortgage, school-fees, medical-cover and food?
And wondering how long you could survive on your savings?

No, I thought not.....

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:56
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
What should stop is (actual examples, not an attack on any particular individuals) Romanian Gypsies coming over to the UK and sitting on the high streets of many towns and cities playing their accordions or pick-pocketing tourists on Westminster Bridge.
EU migration law allows a country to expel an EU citizen if he/her has had 3 months of unemployment. That the UK has chosen not to employ this rule is entirely up to them - several other EU nations are doing so, and are regularly expelling e.g. Romanian gypsies. The UK is also entirely free to decide which non-EU citizens it wishes to grant access. That the UK has had very open doors is, again, a decision that rests entirely on the UK and has nothing to do with the EU. Other EU member states have much, much stricter rules which are well within what's allowed under EU regulations. The UK is also free to expel a lot more foreign criminals than they do, but cannot stomach the political backlash when a murderer is sent off back home after sentence serving. Other EU nations do this regularly, sometimes pushing the boundary of what the EU Human Charter (a document which was to a large part dominated by UK input) will allow.

In short, UK unscrupulous UK politicians, aided and abetted by large mass-media conglomerates, regularly accuses the EU for something which is actually under the full control of the UK. This is include most, if not all, of the pro-Brexit arguments.

It really would help in these discussions, if participants would bother making themselves acquainted with the facts of the matters at hand.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:03
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EU migration law allows a country to expel an EU citizen if he/her has had 3 months of unemployment. That the UK has chosen not to employ this rule is entirely up to them - several other EU nations are doing so, and are regularly expelling e.g. Romanian gypsies. The UK is also entirely free to decide which non-EU citizens it wishes to grant access. That the UK has had very open doors is, again, a decision that rests entirely on the UK and has nothing to do with the EU. Other EU member states have much, much stricter rules which are well within what's allowed under EU regulations. The UK is also free to expel a lot more foreign criminals than they do, but cannot stomach the political backlash when a murderer is sent off back home after sentence serving. Other EU nations do this regularly, sometimes pushing the boundary of what the EU Human Charter (a document which was to a large part dominated by UK input) will allow.

In short, UK unscrupulous UK politicians, aided and abetted by large mass-media conglomerates, regularly accuses the EU for something which is actually under the full control of the UK. This is include most, if not all, of the pro-Brexit arguments.

It really would help in these discussions, if participants would bother making themselves acquainted with the facts of the matters at hand.
The problem is that we consider in not "British" to have and expect to present identity cards in return for social security, health care and the like. Personally I can't see the problem, but clearly there is one, as otherwise any sensible government would have gone ahead and done it. As it is, people arrive and they "disappear" making it hard to deport them if we wanted to. It's out own stupid fault, and a major contributor to the referendum result.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:07
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This is the second time this evening this truth about FoM has been made. Once by me & now SMT member. I fully expect it to be ignored. Those on the other side of the argument are just not interested. Out, out, out. Facts are entirely immaterial to the terminally convinced.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:37
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I realise that the figures coming in are considerably more than those that are sent back, but that applies to all countries, the figures are for 2017 :

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...s-from-the-uk/

It would appear Germany deported, or voluntarily left a total of 50,100 in 2017 compared with UK at 32,551, however it would appear Germany has a higher amount of immigrants than the UK. Obviously illegal immigrants are a problem for any country to document or control and Brexit won't make any difference to those statistics.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 05:44
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Its not Poland but another country which has been decimated of all its medics and trades people to the UK.

Funny enough the equivalent to a polish plumber here is an Ukrainian plumber. They get similar amounts of pee taken as the Poles do in the UK.


Or in our case not glued together. The plasterer did a brilliant job replastering the kitchen ceiling
They just don't want to do copper here and to be honest looking at the selection of fittings I am not surprised. You can't get direct compression valves you always have to get a valve with female BSP ends then buy two male to what ever pipes size compression fittings to go on the end. The valve is nearly double the UK valve cost and another 10 euro on top of that for the two connectors. As for York solder fittings never heard of them. The use of none return valves and balancing your pressures between hot and cold supply's also a strange concept.

They all seem to think its normal to have farting taps and deal with leaks every year in various places using crap 10mm plastic pipe.

Anyway that's 2 bar on the gauge this morning.

Electrics I think today.... no wet room regs here.....
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:45
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Electrics I think today.... no wet room regs here.....
Shocking.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:58
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From the outside looking in......

Away from the insularity of Little / Middle Hingland, there exists the real world perspectives. Obviously these are the views of foreigners so will clearly be devoid of credibility in the minds of some here on JB, but, for those of us who take, and have, a broader outlook, they make for interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-views-brexit
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Its not Poland but another country which has been decimated of all its medics and trades people to the UK.
With your daily criticism of the evil EU and your celebration of Britain's leaving, when can we expect to see you back home?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 07:20
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
From the outside looking in......

Away from the insularity of Little / Middle Hingland, there exists the real world perspectives. Obviously these are the views of foreigners so will clearly be devoid of credibility in the minds of some here on JB, but, for those of us who take, and have, a broader outlook, they make for interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-views-brexit
That was a good read (shame I "forgot" to pay up for their subs though).

The insular nature of the UK mass media, both broadcast and print means that to a great extent British people believe we live in some sort of bubble, and that the world, or Europe at present, revolves around us. We should spend more time, and give more attention to how a neighbours view us. It might help us collectively grow up and understand where we sit in the world. Not unimportant, but not overarchingly important either.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 07:57
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“It’s a bit like the crew of the Titanic deciding, by majority vote, that the iceberg really must get out of the way.”
To see an established democracy like Britain descending into this chaos and irrationality is really disheartening. It’s a very comprehensive defeat for British politics.”
It makes me want to weep. What have we come to?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:03
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Our media is supine on Brexit. Here's a précis that throws things in to stark relief.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:07
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Just heard a clip of Andrea Leadsom talking on Radio 4's Today programme, where she said that the EU has to understand what the UK parliament will accept and in essence give way accordingly. Why!!? There are two sides in a negotiation, and the UK parliament needs to realise what is and is not acceptable to the EU, based on it's rules which it will not break.

As Sallyann has said on so many occasions, this is no divorce, it is the UK leaving the EU, whilst wishing to get the best trading and political situation when we've left. If anyone has to give ground it is the UK, not the EU - but I would suggest that were May just to blur the odd red line, then the EU might just reciprocate. All that is stopping that is May's obsession with keeping The ERG and DUP on side.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:17
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ATNotts, true, anyone that travels will see things that others do better than we do, and a few things we do better. There is a very definite 'not invented here' tendency.

Roads are probably a good example. In the US a 4-way Stop at crossings seems to work. Filter on right (left) at lights seems to work. Flashing Amber at TL at night seems to work.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:19
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Why!!?

Because politics is political. Leadsom - who last week, offered a decent stab at faux outrage towards Tusk, saying that no one had voted him into his job, despite the inconvenient truth that she was a member of the government that voted him into his job on the 1st December 2014 & the 9th March 2017, as did the other 27 member states - is free to lie on the radio all she wants. What grates is Mishal Hussain on this occasion but certainly Humphries & the rest on many others letting her & her band of fools get away with it on an almost daily basis.

It's said we get the governments we deserve but the fourth estate has plenty of questions of its own to answer.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:39
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
ATNotts, true, anyone that travels will see things that others do better than we do, and a few things we do better. There is a very definite 'not invented here' tendency.

Roads are probably a good example. In the US a 4-way Stop at crossings seems to work. Filter on right (left) at lights seems to work. Flashing Amber at TL at night seems to work.
As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:42
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As well as 3-pin plug sockets and not being able to have plug sockets in bathrooms. Neither seem to cause mass deaths in countries where they have 2 pin plugs and hairdryers in bathrooms!
ATN, and how they can wire a device so that live and neutral are controlled by the switch but we only isolate live I don't know.
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