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Old 9th Feb 2019, 08:44
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It's the non existent staff on the non existent ships I feel sorry for.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Seaborne Freight contract terminated according to Sky News.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-09/...ps-terminated/

controversial no-deal Brexit ferry contract awarded to a firm with no ships has been cancelled by the Department for Transport. Transport Secretary Chris Grayling’s decision to award Seaborne Freight a contract worth 13.8 million had attracted widespread criticism.

The department said it had decided to terminate the contract after Irish company Arklow Shipping, which had backed Seaborne Freight, stepped away from the deal.

A DfT spokeswoman said: “Following the decision of Seaborne Freight’s backer, Arklow Shipping, to step back from the deal, it became clear Seaborne would not reach its contractual requirements with the Government. We have therefore decided to terminate our agreement. The Government is already in advanced talks with a number of companies to secure additional freight capacity – including through the port of Ramsgate – in the event of a no-deal Brexit.”.....




You know, I could have sworn that, when this sad tale of woeful ineptitude first set sail in the public domain, our resident Foreign Trade Affairs correspondent solemnly assured us there was nothing to get remotely concerned about because he'd worked for airlines that were, well, just the same......hence why the diversion into gynaecology was a neat diversionary tactic.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:13
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I wonder how much the contract break clause penalty charges are?
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:14
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
I wonder how much the contract break clause penalty charges are?
One would hope that, given it's the shipping company that is no longer able to fulfil its contractual obligations, there would be provision in the contract for the Government to be able to walk away without any liability.

But then again, it is Grayling and the DfT that we're talking about here ...
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I was speaking to a Polish couple down the pub tonight. They informed me that Brexit is now a slang word in Poland. It means someone who says they're leaving and then hangs around annoying everybody. Perfect.
Talking about Polish people, German hospitals are now actively poaching Polish nurses working in Britain to move to Germany - the text says "Brexit worries? Move to Germany". So the 350m GBP as per the red bus will be really needed, I suppose:


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Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:28
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No takers for my offer of any leaver to acknowledge they'd been sold a false prospectus, and yet the shitshow rumbles on with bad news daily.

Changing one's mind in the face of overwhelming evidence isn't weak, it's an act of courage. Curious that so few here effectively are saying they'd carry on buying a house that revealed knotweed & subsidence once the surveyor had been round.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:56
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
... that revealed knotweed & subsidence once the surveyor had been round.
Several 'surveys' that I have read have shown serious cracks in the walls and questionable foundations. Founder members recalling their ambassadors. Questionable budgets and squabbles about them. Border delay within the 'free movement' area (happening right now, don't get too hung up about any future Irish border whatifery). Harmful street protests. Suggested sanctions within the 'free trade' area (with some pushing for it and some saying they will block it). The 'rise of populism' seen as a threat (well, any form of democratic expression other than those that make 'the right decisions' is a threat). Secular Sectarian religious concepts like "a special place in hell" being held by top governing officials in their official pronouncements. And much, much more.

Surely those are all clear indications that it is time to get out before it inevitably gets worse and collapses around your ears?

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Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:58
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Project fear Noel. Well, us on the non loony side have put up with that for years only we deal in events, you lot in unicorns like for example linking an Italian French ideological spat to the EU. Moral cowardice of the first water. See how you like it.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:03
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no not really.

Most of us were not "sold" anything our voting decision was made prior to the referendum date being set.

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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:04
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Secular religious concepts...
Pardon????

edit noted: if the concept of mixing Church and Politics I take it also have concerns about the role of the Cof E in affairs of State?

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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:07
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
no not really.

Most of us were not "sold" anything our voting decision was made prior to the referendum date being set.
And you represent who exactly? Have you ever had a cogent train of thought?

No matter, since you knew all along what the country thinks, better ask the Russians for a refund on that bus paint job mate.

Still, looking forward to the robotic 'makes no difference we're leaving on the 29th' response.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:09
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Subsidence and knotweed are excellent reasons to demolish the property and rebuild from scratch. Another good reason to leave the EU and rebuild the UK as an independent trading nation. Any builder will tell you that razing a property and redevelopment is expensive, but far more lucrative in the longer term.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:34
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I represent myself, and I see myself as a pretty typical leave voter who barely even followed either side on the run up to the vote.

Nothing to do with racism, what some stupid bus had on the side of it or anything that Boris said.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Subsidence and knotweed are excellent reasons to demolish the property and rebuild from scratch. Another good reason to leave the EU and rebuild the UK as an independent trading nation. Any builder will tell you that razing a property and redevelopment is expensive, but far more lucrative in the longer term.
Well, since we will soon be out of the EU that rebuilding is going to be necessary.

The first thing we will need is a good architect, and the next a reliable builder. Do you have any recommendations amongst our prospective leaders?
Perhaps we should look on https://www.checkatrade.com/
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
... better ask the Russians for a refund on that bus paint job mate.
Can you substantiate that comment?

And how would that fallacious claim compare with a great big pipeline making some countries so dependent on Russian control of the core part of their economies: energy? (Aye, there is to be 'communal' control of the 'outflow', but who controls the 'inflow'?) Yet another item on that long list on the surveyor's report showing shaky foundations.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:54
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[QUOTE=tescoapp;10385071]I represent myself, and I see myself as a pretty typical leave voter who barely even followed either side on the run up to the vote.

I do agree that you are a pretty typical leave voter.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I represent myself, and I see myself as a pretty typical leave voter who barely even followed either side on the run up to the vote.

I do agree that you are a pretty typical leave voter.
Even after backtracking on saying ''most of us'.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Can you substantiate that comment?

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Can you repudiate it?

No one ever accused a leaver of possessing a sense of humour did they? Come to think of it, name me one funny right wing comic.

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Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:27
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Well, since we will soon be out of the EU that rebuilding is going to be necessary.

The first thing we will need is a good architect, and the next a reliable builder. Do you have any recommendations amongst our prospective leaders?
Perhaps we should look on "checkatrade"
Yet another person who has so little faith in the abilities of the British people.

The foundations here are a lot older and much more sound. There are no 'internal border' delays. no constant rumbles of street trouble (believe it or not we actually speak to each other more than burning cars on the streets), no central threats of sanctions against any regional government, The starting point for the rebuilding is actually very good. And the British population are actually very good at getting on and doing just that.

But then there are those who have no confidence in the British people and feel that they need their hands held by their Continental cousins in order to be able to get anywhere. If you look at it all carefully there is a lot more reason to have confidence in your own people rather than in your very fractious cousins.
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Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Can you repudiate it?
Yes, I can say you are talking rubbish. Just making a wild statement is no evidence of truth. So I will say that you are making a wild statement in order to distract attention from that pipeline and the foreign control that it ensures.

Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Come to think of it, name me one funny right wing comic.
Matt.

(I'm sure that you consider the newspaper that publishes his excellent works to be 'right wing'?)


A bit more logic and a lot less emotion will do us all a lot of good.
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