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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Doesn't make what he said in the clip posted by ORAC any less true though, does it? Tell us, what did the guy say in that clip that was wrong (apart from his piss-take on the price of oil)?

Yet again Para, you are attacking the player and not the ball!!!
As always. No coherent arguments just trolling along..
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
As always. No coherent arguments just trolling along..
Who was that comment aimed at? Para, me or yourself?
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:55
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Doesn't make what he said in the clip posted by ORAC any less true though, does it? Tell us, what did the guy say in that clip that was wrong (apart from his piss-take on the price of oil)?
I couldn't give a toss about the NATS or the orange men of Motherwell for that matter. I'm pointing out that the guy in that clip is plant & that this is a very good example of how political debate is hijacked & subverted.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 08:55
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Thank Christ you have absolutely no position of authority in anything or anywhere.
An ad hominem and wrong too! Fully expected.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:22
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I wonder which will happen first - Brexit, or this thread being closed like the last two.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:23
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Well McDonnell has come up with a cracker. Their plan is a specious offer of a deal that effectively splits the Tories in twain. They can't accept it but it will look as if Labour made a genuine effort and had it turned down out of hand. Although it's a very good coup for them I do wonder about what collateral damage will done to their support on the Remain wing.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
I couldn't give a toss about the NATS or the orange men of Motherwell for that matter. I'm pointing out that the guy in that clip is plant & that this is a very good example of how political debate is hijacked & subverted.
Why is he a plant? Who planted him?

He applied to be on the programme probably because he wanted to have his say, just like you or I could, if we wanted to.

From what I understand the application process does indeed ask about your political leanings, just so that the audience selectors CAN select a balanced audience for that area, in terms of political support. What they can't do is know in advance how vocal each member of the audience will be, unless of course you want the BBC to keep a database on everyone that has ever been in the audience, what they said, who vocal they were, etc. I am sue that if that happened there would be uproar. I think the only action they take is to ban certain disruptive individuals from appearing in the audience again, assuming they use the same name each time they apply.

In this guys case he obviously likes to have his say, and so probably applies to be in the audience of every QT near to where he lives. I can't see anything in what he said in the clip linked to by ORAC that was not factual, apart form his joke about the price of oil. He was not disruptive, he simply made a point, whether you agree or disagree with his point of view is immaterial, those in the audience that disagreed could have had their say to counter his comments.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:41
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The offer, as you say is specious, because the very first condition is one that the EU has already flatly said is impossible. There is zero possibility of any deal where, as a non-member, the UK would have an input into future EU trade deals.

As such the EU’s comment that it is a starting point for negotiation is equally specious and designed to foment further delay in the implementation of Brexit.

A permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union. This would include alignment with the union customs code, a common external tariff and an agreement on commercial policy that includes a UK say on future EU trade deals.”
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:44
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wiggy,

I don't think that Dyson is moving any jobs from the UK, apart from himself and a few of his senior board members who will, "rotate between the UK and Singapore.
​​​​​​Much as I deplore Dyson's decision to manufacture his new electric vehicles in Singapore he is still creating new UK jobs at his new electric vehicle design, engineering and test facility at Hullavington and the R and D facility in Malmesbury.
He moved a lot of jobs from the UK to Malaysia when he shut his Malmesbury factory years ago, thus adding to the export revenue of Malaysia and Singapore and adding to the UK's trade deficit when we import all of those UK designed, developed and engineered but Malaysian and Singaporean manufactured products.

Oh, and the House of Commons is sitting today with a full programme including reading 18 Private Members Bills.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
"Desperate times for remainiacs as they start to realise that despite all their efforts, the people have seen through their subversive efforts and the day of reckoning draws ever closer."


weemonkey, by "day of reckoning" I presume you mean the first day of increased unemployment, massive damage to an already embarrassingly bad trade deficit, shortages, a desperate lack of skilled workers and a run on the ?
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
What they can't do is know in advance how vocal each member of the audience will be, unless of course you want the BBC to keep a database on everyone that has ever been in the audience, what they said, who vocal they were, etc. I am sue that if that happened there would be uproar. I think the only action they take is to ban certain disruptive individuals from appearing in the audience again, assuming they use the same name each time they apply.
Unless of course, he's a well known local political figure & has been on before AND been selected to speak by the chair, which, as the link makes clear is very long odds. All of which I care not a jot about. To the casual observer, that man is a concerned member of the public, only he isn't and that's the point. Moreover, Question Time is the BBC's attempt to make people hate watch worse than lower sixth politics & you would be well advised to avoid it, much less post gloating links to it.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:57
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G0ULI,

ER, so just how exactly does your statement..

​​​​​​"The UK is happy to leave the border open from their side."

..align with the typical Brexiteer shout of "take back control of our borders!?

So much of Brexit has revolved around immigration and taking back control. It is the height of hypocrisy to think that you can do that with your one and only land border with another nation being totally open, and that nation being an EU member at that.

Total hypocrisy!
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
weemonkey, by "day of reckoning" I presume you mean the first day of increased unemployment, massive damage to an already embarrassingly bad trade deficit, shortages, a desperate lack of skilled workers and a run on the ?
I think it's pretty clear by now that the rabid brexiteers are not in the slightest bit interested in any consequences, they simply want Brexit for itself. After the event they will just disappear.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Unless of course, he's a well known local political figure & has been on before AND been selected to speak by the chair, which, as the link makes clear is very long odds. All of which I care not a jot about. To the casual observer, that man is a concerned member of the public, only he isn't and that's the point. Moreover, Question Time is the BBC's attempt to make people hate watch worse than lower sixth politics & you would be well advised to avoid it, much less post gloating links to it.
As I said, he is probably someone that is passionate about his political beliefs (hence why "he's a well known local political figure"), as such he probably applies to every episode of QT in his region, if not even slightly further afield (hence why he has been on before). When he does get selected to be in an audience then he is probably very determined to be picked by the chair, putting his hand up all the time, wearing something that makes him stand out, sitting proud in his seat so he looks bigger then those around him so he is more obvious, etc, etc (hence why he has been selected by the chair to speak).

Do you know how many audiences he has applied to be in but was not selected? Do you know how many audiences he has been selected to be in but was not chosen to speak by the chair? Or are you just venting your dislike of a programme because it does not support your political stance 100% of the time?
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:05
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ORAC, Indeed specious, but what McD has worked out is that Labour Leavers are the gullible cohort that enabled Banksie, Boris et al to get the result they wanted. He's just turned the thing around to ensure that when it either doesn't happen or it turns pear shaped the blame doesn't fall on them, it's quite clever. May is in a damned if she does, damned if she doesn't position. McDonnell is the Phantom haunting the Tories. ( See what I did there, a bit of aviation content)
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Do you know how many audiences he has applied to be in but was not selected? Do you know how many audiences he has been selected to be in but was not chosen to speak by the chair? Or are you just venting your dislike of a programme because it does not support your political stance 100% of the time?
Pray tell what is my political stance?
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:18
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Totally unreasonable, i.e. Not his.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:21
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Pray tell what is my political stance?
I don't know, I asked a question as to why you are so anti-QT and that was a just a possible reason. After all, it always seems to be people from the extremities of all political leanings that seem to have a problem with QT, or those that wear tin foil on their heads and see conspiracy theories everywhere, or those with simply no interest in politics - I somehow don't think you fall into the last category.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:24
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I somehow don't think he's on the extremes. My guess, in descending order of likelihood. LD, Moderate Labour, Tory Remainer. None of which can be considered extreme.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I somehow don't think he's on the extremes. My guess, in descending order of likelihood. LD, Moderate Labour, Tory Remainer. None of which can be considered extreme.
So that rules out option 1 and 3, leaving option 2 - or some other reason. Maybe he is just p'd off for never having been selected to be in the audience himself
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