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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
yeah, on that EU planning you mentioned -





Tick, tock..
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Dan_Brown View Post
Point taken. Yes the were great sacrifices made by many brave Irish as with the free French, etc., etc. Of that I am aware.

I also understand the seeds of hatred were sown and still exist.

Ireland does hold the key to sort this mess.
I actually think Arlene Foster holds the key to all this unfortunately. This is the same party that padlocks children's playground rides on Sundays to prevent them being used on the Sabbath.

Everyone is going to have to compromise here. The hard Brexiteers are not willing to do that, neither are the remainers. I do understand Tusk's frustration. Article 50 was designed by Britain. From the start there were 6 options. The UK government spent over 2 years arguing with itself which is why we're in this mess
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Dan_Brown View Post
This clown Tusk, is now playing "God". Who is he to reserve a place in hell for anyone, leave alone a special place? That is The desision which will be made by God almighty.

Europe need to recover from this selective amnesia, and remind themselves, if it wasn't for the UK the Americans, and the Commonwealth, with the supreme sacifices there made, there would be NO effin Europe!! With no help from the Irish as a Nation either..
It might give you a little more credibility if you did not grossly misquote the man.

He "wondered what that special place in hell looks like". He did not reserve any places there for anyone, and he does not need to as I'm sure that over the coming few years there will be many willing to take on the task.

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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I actually think Arlene Foster holds the key to all this unfortunately. This is the same party that padlocks children's playground rides on Sundays to prevent them being used on the Sabbath.

Everyone is going to have to compromise here. The hard Brexiteers are not willing to do that, neither are the remainers. I do understand Tusk's frustration. Article 50 was designed by Britain. From the start there were 6 options. The UK government spent over 2 years arguing with itself which is why we're in this mess
Do you not think 'the remainers' are a spent force now?

Some interesting background to Arlene Foster here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rder-childhood
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Fitter, let me fix that for you:
I think you're both half right, a no-deal Brexit would be disastrous for both the UK and EU, the difference being only one of degree.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Do you not think 'the remainers' are a spent force now?

Some interesting background to Arlene Foster here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rder-childhood
I think everything is so gridlocked at this point that there's going to be a hard Brexit by default. Hope I'm wrong. It seems like the full gravity of the situation is really beginning to dawn on many people now though. As we see above there's still people who have deluded themselves into thinking the UK has the advantage here.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 14:05
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Tusk is serious man not a clown-we supply the clowns in this game

The NI situation is truly awful with a small gang of ultras in the DUP making policy for the nation-absurd
And of course its UK breaking yet another agreement-this time the Good Friday one and expecting people to just accept it and then forget it

Well half the world is queuing up to f--k us over because of history and Liam Fox doesnt have either a trade deal or WTO membership to his name

Tusk is 100% right, the ERG should face public execution by some method from the days Rees Mogg wants to take us back to. Odd that in the Britain he craves for he wouldnt be an MP and would most likely get burned at the stake.

And if you are not sure about brexit just look at and research the kind of scum that are in the ERG , self serving , treacherous wealthy people to a (old white) man really representative of UK 2019. I am only surprised they dont want to bring back the slave trade to replace EU workers although i suspect many of them actually do but cannot persuade the Daily Mail it is a good idea
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I think everything is so gridlocked at this point that there's going to be a hard Brexit by default. Hope I'm wrong. It seems like the full gravity of the situation is really beginning to dawn on many people now though. As we see above there's still people who have deluded themselves into thinking the UK has the advantage here.
I hope you are wrong too. It could be win-win, but it could easily turn into lose-lose. Tusk's remarks were not helpful in this respect as it may lead to further digging in by the various players at a time when, as you say, the full gravity is beginning to dawn in some quarters. (To be clear I am in favour of Brexit).
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 14:13
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Tusk is serious man not a clown-we supply the clowns in this game

The NI situation is truly awful with a small gang of ultras in the DUP making policy for the nation-absurd
And of course its UK breaking yet another agreement-this time the Good Friday one and expecting people to just accept it and then forget it

Well half the world is queuing up to f--k us over because of history and Liam Fox doesnt have either a trade deal or WTO membership to his name

Tusk is 100% right, the ERG should face public execution by some method from the days Rees Mogg wants to take us back to. Odd that in the Britain he craves for he wouldnt be an MP and would most likely get burned at the stake.

And if you are not sure about brexit just look at and research the kind of scum that are in the ERG , self serving , treacherous wealthy people to a (old white) man really representative of UK 2019. I am only surprised they dont want to bring back the slave trade to replace EU workers although i suspect many of them actually do but cannot persuade the Daily Mail it is a good idea
I think you'll find the ERG has a number of women in their membership.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 14:21
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I think everything is so gridlocked at this point that there's going to be a hard Brexit by default. Hope I'm wrong. It seems like the full gravity of the situation is really beginning to dawn on many people now though. As we see above there's still people who have deluded themselves into thinking the UK has the advantage here.
Your contributions above have been illuminating. Thank you.
And this post is correct in every word. Unfortunately.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 15:16
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I'm off to the pub shortly.. I'll know the outcome of all of this in a couple of hours.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 15:17
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To question your own attitude, shouldn't you have stated directly why you wouldn't help rather than just make excuses?[/QUOTE]

I certainly had no need to state directly, everybody involved was well aware of my views on Corbyn, I have made no effort whatsoever to hide them. My remark on prior arrangements was rather along the lines of "Whenever it is, I'm too busy."
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 16:51
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40% of French people in France...

....want to leave the EU!

Interesting site (But not if you are a remainiac or patron of the EU)

Take a look at Europe Elects
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects?s=09
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:08
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A bipartisan Bill is to go before Congress blocking the US from entering into a trade deal with the UK post Brexit if the UK violates the Good Friday Agreement by not protecting the status quo on the border.

https://www.newstalk.com/US-Congress...-UK-trade-deal
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
A bipartisan Bill is to go before Congress blocking the US from entering into a trade deal with the UK post Brexit if the UK violates the Good Friday Agreement by not protecting the status quo on the border.

https://www.newstalk.com/US-Congress...-UK-trade-deal

Evergreen post.
Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Anyone want to hazard a guess at the heft of the book to be written about the things leavers didn't bother to think about while they were signwriting that bus?


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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:21
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Whatever your views on Corbyn, with 49 days to go we finally get Corbynís views on Brexit terms. And theyíre straight from la la land: Letís see, remain in customs union....but he wants a say over future EU trade deals. On what planet?? Next: Retain the European arrest warrant-even though explicitly ruled out by EU. The manís a shambles and a disgrace.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
publicly he continues to support the leadership so that he can continue to do the work he loves. He knows he will be out if he doesn't.
Bizarre way to run a party.

Mine is done differently.

Once Upon A Time someone overheard me disagreeing with the council leader (not very hard, we were having this argument in the Guildhall corridor outside the committee rooms).

Them (shocked and horrified): "You don't talk to your leader like that do you?"

Me: "Uh? Why not? After all, I don't need his vote for anything, but he's only leader so long as he can keep my vote."

Them (looks even more horrified): "!"

Leader: "Yup, that's right."
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:26
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Those terms can easily be achieved. By remaining...
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 19:08
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..,which he doesnít support!
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 19:28
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Next: Retain the European arrest warrant-even though explicitly ruled out by EU. The man’s a shambles and a disgrace.
Now you're just being silly.

As if anyone would be asking, at this late stage, for things that have been ruled out by the EU ...
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