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Old 6th Feb 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You want evidence of the future.
Can you do that?

I'm happy to wait until the future happens (and would be even more happy to find out that I was wrong)
After all, we don't have long to wait.
Although I concur with much of what you argue I really think that you are wrong on Corbyn. If this all goes horribly wrong, which I guess we both think it will, then Corbyn by his conduct has firmly placed himself beside May at the centre of the shitstorm. I don't think he has a chance of getting away with it and I doubt that he will survive the fury of the membership if he enables May to effect any kind of Brexit..
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 20:36
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I wonder whom Seamus Milne has picked to succeed Corby, for, even were JC he to become Britain’s first Marxist prime minister,I feel sure that the party has someone more ominous in mind to succeed him.i feel equally sure that this train of speculation will not have been lost on foreign business interests, irrespective of whether they warp the to move in or out of Britain.
Do not forget that to project a company forward plan based on a political possibility,such as Brexit,is simply good planning. To offend a goverment in waiting as prickly as the Labour front bench though would not be wise. Hence we find Brexit used as. Greater excuse fir financial devolution from the U.K. than it really might be.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 21:25
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
I wonder whom Seamus Milne has picked to succeed Corby, for, even were JC he to become Britain’s first Marxist prime minister,I feel sure that the party has someone more ominous in mind to succeed him.i feel equally sure that this train of speculation will not have been lost on foreign business interests, irrespective of whether they warp the to move in or out of Britain.
Do not forget that to project a company forward plan based on a political possibility,such as Brexit,is simply good planning. To offend a goverment in waiting as prickly as the Labour front bench though would not be wise. Hence we find Brexit used as. Greater excuse fir financial devolution from the U.K. than it really might be.
Gosh, you were really struggling to justify that.
Read it again in the morning and you'll realise how daft it sounds.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 21:42
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That response of course, is naught more than an opinion and although I admit that my post was farkply liberally sprinkled with auto corrects abd syntactical errors, I would have thought a compromise to reason could have been found through the miasma. Come to that thought though, is there any compromise whatsoever on the part of the remain on the soon to be buffered EU train?
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 21:57
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Nigel Farage eh? Perhaps the ultimate proof of the old adage "politics is showbusiness for ugly people", in every sense of the word.


The NI "backstop" issue is nothing more than political shenanigans by the EU to gain political leverage vis a vis negotiating a new trade deal (beneficial to them) after the UK has "officially" left the Union and are in the so called transition period, There has never really been a "hard" border on the island of Ireland. Even when there were 20000 UK soldiers stationed there during the troubles the border leaked like a sieve. Goods, people, contraband & perhaps some far more sinister stuff crossed freely. The border even runs through some houses. Go in the front door in the Republic and emerge through the back door into NI. Political nonsense, and I get the feeling reading this thread there are some very frustrated failed or wanabee politicians here, with opposing views of this intractable issue.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 21:57
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TM is in Brussels tomorrow. Not much will change. On Friday she will be in Dublin. Expect something.

That's all I can say

Both countries cannot afford this crap. There's stuff going on behind the scenes.

Honestly did you really really believe otherwise.

The Tories Brexiteer lunatics nearly blew it.

Realpolitik will out
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
Nigel Farage eh? Perhaps the ultimate proof of the old adage "politics is showbusiness for ugly people", in every sense of the word.


The NI "backstop" issue is nothing more than political shenanigans by the EU to gain political leverage vis a vis negotiating a new trade deal (beneficial to them) after the UK has "officially" left the Union and are in the so called transition period, There has never really been a "hard" border on the island of Ireland. Even when there were 20000 UK soldiers stationed there during the troubles the border leaked like a sieve. Goods, people, contraband & perhaps some far more sinister stuff crossed freely. The border even runs through some houses. Go in the front door in the Republic and emerge through the back door into NI. Political nonsense, and I get the feeling reading this thread there are some very frustrated failed or wanabee politicians here, with opposing views of this intractable issue.
Yeah but Tusk was on about the loonies, not guys like you who've worked it all out.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 00:56
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
Nigel Farage eh? Perhaps the ultimate proof of the old adage "politics is showbusiness for ugly people", in every sense of the word.


The NI "backstop" issue is nothing more than political shenanigans by the EU to gain political leverage vis a vis negotiating a new trade deal (beneficial to them) after the UK has "officially" left the Union and are in the so called transition period, There has never really been a "hard" border on the island of Ireland. Even when there were 20000 UK soldiers stationed there during the troubles the border leaked like a sieve. Goods, people, contraband & perhaps some far more sinister stuff crossed freely. The border even runs through some houses. Go in the front door in the Republic and emerge through the back door into NI. Political nonsense, and I get the feeling reading this thread there are some very frustrated failed or wanabee politicians here, with opposing views of this intractable issue.
Respectfully, how many times did you cross the NI border during the troubles? Because I did regularly, when my car was searched by British soldiers armed with machine guns (and those soldiers had an awful habit of shooting civilians with those guns).

If there’s even the symbolism of a hard border on this Island,the head bangers in the Republican movement will go bananas, and the head bangers in the UVF, UDA etc will respond. People will die in NI if there’s a crash out without the backstop or similar. I don’t think that reptile Mogg and his ilk realise that, or if they do I wonder if they even care. The Republican nutcases under the current arrangement can live in some mental fantasy land because there’s no hard border and their % of the population is growing faster than the Unionist one, so the “struggle” is now purely political. Taking that fantasy away from them will cause mayhem.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 05:23
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Yeah but Tusk was on about the loonies
Oh My. You and ken V should get together some time ..
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 06:09
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Mr Tusk's observations, faultless I have to say, brought into perspective.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eaders-cartoon
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 06:54
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For those whose thirst for knowledge and world affairs does not need to remain within the provincial boundaries of Britain and who, as all well informed leavers, have some concept of a global picture that extends beyond the boundaries of Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-euideologues/
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 07:11
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I wonder if the Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who wrote that article is the same Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who has been forecasting (with undisguised glee) in articles in the DT and elsewhere the imminent demise of the euro and the eurozone pretty much every day since the euro was introduced two decades ago?

Not sure he’s the best source of information for anybody to go to if they are looking for a reliable forecast of anything, and I certainly wouldn’t regard him as an objective economic observer, he’s been scratching his anti E.U., anti euro itch for years and making a tidy living doing it.

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/04/...nd-charticles/







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Old 7th Feb 2019, 07:20
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An interesting month ahead.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ithout-a-deal/

The Brexit legal challenges that could force Britain to leave without a deal

Paul Daly is a Senior Lecturer in Public Law, University of Cambridge
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 07:48
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Phew ! saved in the nick of time..,,Graylings reputation remains intact and unblemished !........well it doesn't as we know, but, thankfully a convenient scapegoat to take the blame may have emerged....the local council !......so it may not get mentioned that, thanks to cuts from central Gov't, local councils find themselves a bit short.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47144762
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:09
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, the government that brought you a ferryless ferry operator & is committed to no no deal & no hard border in N Ireland is briefing confidentially that no trade deal rollovers are guaranteed even in the event of an agreement with Brussels. Anyone want to hazard a guess at the heft of the book to be written about the things leavers didn't bother to think about while they were signwriting that bus?


https://www.ft.com/content/7beae1d2-...b-ff8ef2b976c7
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:17
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
An interesting month ahead.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ithout-a-deal/

The Brexit legal challenges that could force Britain to leave without a deal

Paul Daly is a Senior Lecturer in Public Law, University of Cambridge

Following Paul Daly’s analysis the issue of the timing of legislation has been raised by some politically astute (i.e. not me) in a couple of other “places” on the Internet.

It has then led to discussion about what the provisions of Civil Contingencies Act (2004) would or would not allow HMG to do if things went down to the wire on or just before 29th March....




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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:45
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Since the referendum result it has been obvious to me that the EU playbook goes as follows.

1 - the UK are idiots and will come to their senses if we stonewall enough.

2. Oh dear, that didn't work, force them into a BRINO deal where they stay in the single market and customs union, subject to ECJ and all EU rules, paying into the budget as before.

3. Sh!t, that didn't work - panic.

We seem to have arrived at stage 3. To leave on 30th March with no deal is a disaster for the EU, and undesirable for UK. Kicking the can down the road by delaying implementation will change nothing. The 'backstop' is the EU way of keeping us permanently in their playbook 2 move, and there must be a legally binding exit if the UK is to negotiate a sensible free trade deal. If the Japanese can have one, then why not the UK?
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:47
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the government that brought you a ferryless ferry operator & is committed to no no deal & no hard border in N Ireland is briefing confidentially that no trade deal rollovers are guaranteed even in the event of an agreement with Brussels. Anyone want to hazard a guess at the heft of the book to be written about the things leavers didn't bother to think about while they were signwriting that bus?


https://www.ft.com/content/7beae1d2-...b-ff8ef2b976c7
Behind a paywall for me.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:52
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Since the referendum result it has been obvious to me that the EU playbook goes as follows.

1 - the UK are idiots and will come to their senses if we stonewall enough.

2. Oh dear, that didn't work, force them into a BRINO deal where they stay in the single market and customs union, subject to ECJ and all EU rules, paying into the budget as before.

3. Sh!t, that didn't work - panic.

We seem to have arrived at stage 3. To leave on 30th March with no deal is a disaster for the EU, and undesirable for UK. Kicking the can down the road by delaying implementation will change nothing. The 'backstop' is the EU way of keeping us permanently in their playbook 2 move, and there must be a legally binding exit if the UK is to negotiate a sensible free trade deal. If the Japanese can have one, then why not the UK?
I'm very happy for you. The security you feel in that universe must be amazingly comforting.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:55
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To leave on 30th March with no deal is a disaster for the EU, and undesirable for UK
Fitter, let me fix that for you:

To leave on 30th March with no deal is undesirable for the EU, and a disaster for the UK
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