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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
I have in the past and got banned from the rumour and news and the tech forums (still banned). Nothing rude or aggressive .....
But you don't seem to be receiving the message.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why only for Remainers? The same would apply equally to Brexiters.
Would be more attractive to Remainers having been more alienated by Corbynís duplicitous behaviour in enabling Brexit while trying to look like he isnít. Brexiteers who are more centre left would also be attracted of course.

A new party from the right wing of Labour sounds good, but it was tried before by the SDP. It didn't go too well for them back in the 80s.
Timing is everything. They were unlucky in launching in 1981, because of the Falklands happening in 1982 when Thatcher proved the old adage that nothing boosts a leader better than a short successful war. If Galtieri hadnít stuck his beak in, the 1983 (or more likely 1984 in those circumstances) election would have been very different. (As Trump gets towards the 2020 election if his poll ratings donít look great I have a nasty feeling that he may be tempted to prove that adage again, but thatís for another thread).
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:31
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I do get it don't worry but it doesn't change my opinion and it won't change the opinion of the leavers or for that matter what will happen come the day or what will happen afterwards.

And ref Trump that's my thoughts as well unfortunately. Hopefully it will just be a trade war.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:32
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
This thread has fast become a vehicle for remainiac tantric onanists to promulgate their idolized outpourings.....
Cracked it! I know who you are - Leonard Sachs!! One for the oldies (that's most of us on here)!
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
My "no comment" comment was in regard to the PCJ. One if them must have admitted that they lied as to who was driving, had they maintained the fiction that the brother was at the wheel, in the absence of photographic evidence to disprove this there is nothing that can be done. Speed camera offences are very easily dodged if you know how but I'm not going into details on a public forum.
They named someone who could be proved to be out of the country at the time of the offence.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:36
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
A simple "no comment" response to the speeding charge would have seen her guilty. No flummoxing needed. The law says if it is your vehicle involved, then you are liable. Unless you can show someone else was driving. And the prison sentence was for something other than speeding, contempt of court or perjury (can't remember). Why on earth she thought it was clever to risk everything for the sake of £100 fine and 3 points is beyond me. Perhaps she would have noticed the speed camera and avoided all this if she hadn't been texting on her phone at the same time! Of course, she could have also avoided all this if she stuck to the speed limit. She either thought the speed limit didn't apply to her or she was above the law.
The news reports kept quoting the fact she was the first sitting MP to go to prison since Terry Field. At least his offence was for what he saw as a matter of principle.
No. They need evidence of who was driving to find them guilty of the speeding offence. She would be guilty of the S172 offence instead.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:48
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The idea that us leaving the Eu hurts the Eu as much as us is debateable. The issue is that any pain from us leaving the Eu is shared among 26 countries by which time the impact on any one country is insignificant whereas the other way around we carry the whole burden.

of course facts mean niothign to Brexiteers but they should mean something to Theresa May. As PM her job is to protect the security and well being of the country not blindly following a referendum result that has been completely watered down by every opinion poll since June 16 which have in every case shown we should remain. That's not a good enough reason to reverse a referendum but it certainly is a good enough reason for a second vote.

As she ignores this she must be either mentally incapacitated or being coerced by someone who has something on her but either way she is no longer fit to be PM when she is knowingly putting the country in harms way on the back odf a flawed referendum
Flawed meaning-

The Russians were involved as EU destabilisation exercise
The Leave Campaign broke a number of funding and integrity rules
Key leave figure completley lied about the consequences, Liam Fox lied about trade agreements, Boris and the NHS etc etc
MPs with substantial private wealth urged people to leave while moving their own wealth into offshore and often EU jusridictions
The voting demographics of today are substantially different from those in June 16
Most of what was dubbed 'project fear' is now coming true
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:56
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Timing is everything. They were unlucky in launching in 1981, because of the Falklands happening in 1982 when Thatcher proved the old adage that nothing boosts a leader better than a short successful war.
It was something of a desperate gamble though - she might not have won the war. She couldn't have known when she set it up that she was going to win it. But perhaps with the Alliance topping the opinion polls she thought she had nothing to lose (the lives of a few hundred servicemen counting as "nothing" of course).
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:59
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Irrespective of whether Nissan chiefs looked at Brexit & thought screw this, you cannot fail to look at Sony, Panasonic, P&O, Dyson, AIG, Toshiba, Schaeffer, Barclays, Siemens, Ford & JLR and not see a pattern. Remarkable that people would argue the toss during an unprecedented exodus & those are just from January!
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Irrespective of whether Nissan chiefs looked at Brexit & thought screw this, you cannot fail to look at Sony, Panasonic, P&O, Dyson, AIG, Toshiba, Schaeffer, Barclays, Siemens, Ford & JLR and not see a pattern. Remarkable that people would argue the toss during an unprecedented exodus & those are just from January!
But we all know the answer to this list: "they aren't a consequence of #brexshit, because we haven't left yet".
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 11:52
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Andrew Rawnsleyíís Sunday Article...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...no-deal-brexit
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why only for Remainers? The same would apply equally to Brexiters.

A new party from the right wing of Labour sounds good, but it was tried before by the SDP. It didn't go too well for them back in the 80s.
I was a Labour member at that time and it was very different from today. Militant were an entryist faction who were attempting to gain control of the party. When Denis Healey defeated Tony Benn for the deputy leadership that effectively meant that the party was safe from the hard left. If you compare that to today Momentum have complete control. They have effectively captured all the levers of power within Labour. Hence mandatory re, or rather de selection.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 12:00
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Originally Posted by under_exposed View Post
They named someone who could be proved to be out of the country at the time of the offence.
I didnt realise that, and it explains a lot. I received a speeding ticket relating to a time that I was out of the country. The car being used was available to several potential drivers, although none had my permission to use it. I strongly suspected one employee as having borrowed it but he denied having done so. I told the police this and invited them to question him. They pushed on with the prosecution. They had two attempts and even resorted to pettiness like placing the court hearing in the furthest possible place from my home address. The case was dismissed and I was given costs against them.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I didnt realise that, and it explains a lot. I received a speeding ticket relating to a time that I was out of the country. The car being used was available to several potential drivers, although none had my permission to use it. I strongly suspected one employee as having borrowed it but he denied having done so. I told the police this and invited them to question him. They pushed on with the prosecution. They had two attempts and even resorted to pettiness like placing the court hearing in the furthest possible place from my home address. The case was dismissed and I was given costs against them.
Piss off a police pofficer they will always seek revenge through using other officers to do so.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post


I didnt realise that, and it explains a lot. I received a speeding ticket relating to a time that I was out of the country. The car being used was available to several potential drivers, although none had my permission to use it. I strongly suspected one employee as having borrowed it but he denied having done so. I told the police this and invited them to question him. They pushed on with the prosecution. They had two attempts and even resorted to pettiness like placing the court hearing in the furthest possible place from my home address. The case was dismissed and I was given costs against them.
A few years ago a German colleague (our MD actually) was caught on a speed camera. As the car was owned by the company the notification was sent to the Company office. However in Germany the onus is upon the police to prove who was driving the car, not on the owner to declare who was driving. Said MD grew himself a beard, and so far as I recall the police did not manage to identify who the driver was, and he was not convicted. Not sure if the law continues to operate in this way.

Compare and contrast with the UK where you are "guilty until proven innocent", either of speeding, or failing to comply with a demand to tell all to the plod.

I know which system I prefer, and the German scale of fines is rather less of a blunt instrument than ours.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Irrespective of whether Nissan chiefs looked at Brexit & thought screw this, you cannot fail to look at Sony, Panasonic, P&O, Dyson, AIG, Toshiba, Schaeffer, Barclays, Siemens, Ford & JLR and not see a pattern. Remarkable that people would argue the toss during an unprecedented exodus & those are just from January!
It's another cost worth paying to "take back control" for Brexiteers. Bit like the Knights of Ni from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Has there ever been a situation where a Prime Minister and government that has knowingly sent the economy to hell in a handcart? I can't think of one, though there are plenty where they have done so unwittingly through total incompetence!
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 15:43
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PM's first duty is to protect the country., This is doing the opposite. Much like Eff man, I've concluded, reluctantly that the damage is now done. Irrespective of where it goes from here, the EU won't trust us for a generation, business is irreparably harmed & we face a decade of decline. And all for the nativist wet dreams of a bunch credulous head bangers.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 16:01
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the EU won't trust us for a generation
That's being unusually optimistic for you.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 16:23
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Thumbs up

i am sure that it will all be OK eventually.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 16:32
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Eventually, we're all dead, to paraphrase Keynes.
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