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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:08
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I have more or less given up now. It's clear that May is being controlled by the DUP/ERG alliance and the best option now is a big bag of popcorn, sit back and enjoy the inevitable train wreck. The small upside is that I will be in "I told you so" mode regarding Brexiteer friends, most of whom are much more exposed to the worst effects of NoDeal than I am.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:22
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Then there's those of us who have large mortgages, work in business, have children to raise & aren't insulated from the effects of something we didn't vote for, warned against repeatedly & will have to impotently suffer. For so many of the demographic that supported this, it's hitherto not much more than a thought experiment. For the rest, it's a self inflicted tsunami coming over the horizon propelled by a cabal of Eton educated millionaires, appeased by the weakest prime minister in my lifetime.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:28
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I naturally have the greatest sympathy for those in that position. But this is what happens when you play games with politics. I take what you say about a weak PM but she just followed on from the most stupid one ever. Let's hope that Corbyn doesn't complete the hat trick. It is a risk.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:44
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So much for Digby Jones blabbering yesterday about the mayors of German cities where Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes Benz are located shaking in their boots:

Mike Hawes, SMMT Chief Executive, said: "With fewer than 60 days before we leave the EU and the risk of crashing out without a deal looking increasingly real, UK Automotive is on red alert. Brexit uncertainty has already done enormous damage to output, investment and jobs.Yet this is nothing compared with the permanent devastation caused by severing our frictionless trade links overnight, not just with the EU but with the many other global markets with which we currently trade freely.

Given the global headwinds, the challenges to the sector are immense. Brexit is the clear and present danger and, with thousands of jobs on the line, we urge all parties to do whatever it takes to save us from ‘no deal’.The decline in UK car manufacturing in 2017 and 2018 follows seven years of unprecedented growth for the sector as it emerged from recession faster than any other major EU market, with output rising more than 70% in that time.

Today, UK Automotive is globally respected. It is Britain’s biggest exporter in goods, and one of the country’s most important economic pillars, employing 186,000 people directly in vehicle and component factories and delivering an annual £20.2 billion direct to the Treasury.

Much of this success is due to our global competitiveness, drawn from economic and political stability, investment, a highly skilled workforce and beneficial trading conditions with our biggest markets. As a highly-integrated sector that has maximised the benefits of the European single market and customs union, a ‘no-deal’ Brexit is the most significant threat to the competitiveness of the UK automotive sector in a generation.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:30
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And while we are talking about EU/non EU borders, let's not forget the one at Gibraltar.
Any future trade deal has to be agreed by Spain, so they have just a little more leverage down there.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:38
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The Irish Times article is, as the link says, "opinion", and not fact. I can't access the PPRuNe link for whatever reason, but I suspect that what posted by one of the notorious Brexiteers on this thread.

As Sallyann says, if Ireland is resolvable, then the Spain / Gibraltar border could be far more problematic and it may actually be better to hang the Gibraltar out to dry, mind you, since 90% of voters there wanted to stay in the EU if they were given some sort of semi autonomous status by Spain most would be more than happy with that arrangement. But I think I'm getting a bit ahead of myself there.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:44
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90% of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU, but even more voted against Spanish sovereignty.
After Brexit, Spanish pressure on Gibraltar will continue to increase, and with EU support..
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 11:35
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
90% of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU, but even more voted against Spanish sovereignty.
After Brexit, Spanish pressure on Gibraltar will continue to increase, and with EU support..
I don't think it's much being anti Spanish as being anti being part of a proper tax regime, rather than a tax haven. Spain might well give ground on that, especially if by sweetening up the Gibraltarians they could get for themselves a tax haven on the European mainland, such as France has with Monaco, Italy with San Marino, and Germany / Austria with the two tax havens, the names of which escape me in the alps.

Just about every country needs it's tax haven. The UK has more than a few (the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, and Caymans to name but three).
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 11:41
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nd Germany / Austria with the two tax havens, the names of which escape me in the alps
Kleinwalsertal and Jungholz. But that is a thing of the past as the tax loopholes have been closed.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 14:05
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Thanks, Jungholz was one I was thinking about, Kleinwalsertal, just down the road from Oberstdorf wasn't the other on my mind. I'm sure there used to be another one not far from Jungholz, but for the life of me I can't remember it's name.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:27
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Desperation V2.0

As we know, Treeza has the intellectual copyright to V1.0, and the Beta version, but desperation can be contagious.......who better therefore to demonstrate, in their own inimitable style, their own desperate needs to be noticed than ??........ UKIP !

Obviously, in this day and age, causally lopping the head off those accused of treason is a shade passť and not really environmentally friendly so that leaves banishment from these shores as the only real alternative......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...art-remain-mps
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:42
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Andora? .
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 18:28
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Liechtenstein is on the EU's watch list according to the Annex at the end of this document Listing of Tax Havens
Strangely enough Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Eire with their "highly competitive" corporation/company tax rates don't get a mention but they do figure highly here
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Andora? .
No, my geography isn't that bad!
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:07
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How many MP's hold a seat in the HoC as elected representatives for UKIP?

Last time I checked, the answer was ZERO.

For those of you who may be ex- pats, or do not follow current affairs, UKIP is a lunatic fringe element of British politics which has managed to infiltrate the Conservative Party. There are now a significant number of compromised Tory MP's (colloquially known as BLUKIP) holding the Home Secretary hostage in Downing Street as they decide who should be Prime Minister.

Whilst the BLUKIP faction disguise their far right takeover as an ERG project, and run down the clock, the leader of UKIP has today written to The Queen demanding the suspension of Parliament to prevent MP's with remain tendencies from attempting to stop a default exit from Europe.

This is a right wing coup. Evidence that BLUKIP are in control is the Home Secretary/Acting Prime Minister does not dare order a cabinet reshuffle. Not even after a leadership challenge and vote of no confidence.

A general election would sort out those BLUKIP traitors (some of whom are in marginal constituencies) once and for all. If the prospect of a Cooper led Labour government sounds like an unknown, consider what is known after three years under the conservatives and ask - which party has caused most harm to the country.


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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:27
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
No, my geography isn't that bad!
I was asking a question about Andorra's tax status. We visited Pasa de la Casa to pick up some duty free. The inbound customs post was derelict. The outbound to France had multiple Red lanes and all the cars streaming out through Green.

It was quite a few years after that that UK removed the limit on duty paid imports.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:46
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I don't think that it is a Cooper led Labour government that worries most people, it's the prospect of a Corbyn led one. Although your point about whether it could be any worse than this one is certainly valid.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:58
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Well said that man

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Then there's those of us who have large mortgages, work in business, have children to raise & aren't insulated from the effects of something we didn't vote for, warned against repeatedly & will have to impotently suffer. For so many of the demographic that supported this, it's hitherto not much more than a thought experiment. For the rest, it's a self inflicted tsunami coming over the horizon propelled by a cabal of Eton educated millionaires, appeased by the weakest prime minister in my lifetime.
Yes, when this STOPS being a little Gedankenerfahrung it is going to be uncomfortable for people in the EU and remarkably painful for people in the UK {except the really wealthy naturally}.
Thanks to the self-serving machinations of Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson, the odious Farage, Corbyn, that fool Cameron, Paul Dacre, Matthew Elliott, Daniel Hannan and a few others.
Never a thought for the real hard consequences for the man on the Clapham omnibus, just faffling and posturing without any belief that it really could happen - playing with fire and people's lives.

I never thought I'd see the day when HMG would do so much damage to the UK, the EU and all the other little dominoes that nobody's mentioned.
Even if Article 50 was withdrawn tomorrow, EU would never trust us again and who can blame them? As Thomas Wolfe said, 'You Can't Go Home Again.'
Right now the best of all possible Deals (which we will not get) will leave us perpetually pleading on the periphery while the big boys get on with it.

A very sad and worried Mac
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 20:37
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Another option would be for backbenchers from all sides of the House to form a party of unity and isolate the ERG fanatics.
With Caroline Lucas as caretaker PM, government to dissolve itself and call a GE after revoking A50. Works for me.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 21:44
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What possible good could come from a general election, whoever won? Labour is every bit as split over Brexit as the Tories.
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