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Old 29th Jan 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


Do you know what the arrangements for Spanish and French nationals living in the UK will be after Brexit?
No - but is there a significant number of French and Spanish retirees in the UK? But it should not be different then currently as the NHS is a residence-based system (unlike most other health care systems).
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 13:31
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In case you're not watching the Zoo Hoc, you're missing the delicious spectacle of the PM arguing MP's should back the Brady amendment or whatever it's called. What a time to be alive, seeing a sitting PM shoot her own policy in the face, live on tv.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 13:54
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you remainers do release that any extension to Art 50 will come with conditions.

Unless the EU can handcuff the UK to the CU then there is no point giving an extension.

Quiet what would happen if the amendment goes through saying if no deal done by end of feb then the Government has to get an extension and then the conditions are given I don't know. Its a red cape to the bull for the EU to try another bluff out.

And Eire would be quiet within its rights to say piss off unless a legally binding backstop is signed for that has already been voted down in parliament.

Anyway that's May off to the EU which should waste another couple of weeks. Then we have recess, And then we are into the Corybn GE zone of 5 weeks left.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
you remainers do release that any extension to Art 50 will come with conditions.
Yes we do. A second referendum or a general election being among them prior to granting.

Why hello Jeremy, how did you get here?
What? The worst PM in history since the last one gifted you the keys to No.10 through sheer incompetence? Well I never.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:07
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Second ref is not going to happen....

GE I could see happening but I think he will time it so the UK is out by default and he can shrug his shoulders and say not my fault.

I suspect though that it might not go the way he thinks it will.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:13
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Only a time traveller or a fool would make copper bottomed predictions at this point. Show us yer Tardis then.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:24
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cut and pasted from the Beeb.....

"Former foreign secretary and leading Brexiteer Boris Johnson gave a boost to the plan, saying he "gladly" vote for the amendment, if Mrs May confirmed she would re-open negotiations with Brussels "

Always nice to see Boris adding his moral support ( well at least for today ) in times of crisis. .....
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:36
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Quiet what would happen if the amendment goes through saying if no deal done by end of feb then the Government has to get an extension and then the conditions are given I don't know. Its a red cape to the bull for the EU to try another bluff out.
The flaw in that is the EU has to approve an extension, now they have a heck of a bargaining chip in that they can simply turn round and say you have the best deal you are going to get, we are not prepeared to shift on it so either sign it or you will be taking the hard Brexit route regardless of what your MP's vote for. They can vote for no hard Brexit all they like, but the decision is no longer theirs to make.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:53
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Pontius Navigator,

It's not Project Fear, it's what WILL happen if we crash out with no deal on WTO trading rules. You trade on WTO tariffs UNLESS you have a deal with a country, we currently have none. WTO is a set of tariffs, ranging from 3.5% on some engineered goods to a whopping 63% on some Dairy products. Tarifs will cost our manufacturing sector a fortune, the delays and hold ups at the border are what will wreck JIT, a principal now enshrined in manufacturing so deeply you will somply fail if you ignore it.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:54
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The mistake is in believing we have any leverage. We have no leverage.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 15:12
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
The mistake is in believing we have any leverage. We have no leverage.
We already have the best available deal. May will be told "Take it or leave it." And I'm sure she already knows that.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 15:29
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PN,

Those 'new longer logistics chains" will be the very reason these companies find the UK uneconomic to manufacture in and pull out their huge investments and put them within the EU where they will have a common process and logistic timelines.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 15:41
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pr00ne, in a nutshell, thank you.

As we get Anchor butter at competitive prices with the UK and EU butters I guess the tariff is low to negligible. Under WTO I think you are saying 63%.

Of course we could set a lower tariff but then it would apply to all.

I remember however in 1975-76 it was cheaper to buy Anchor in Gibraltar than UK. And Gibraltar is a factor that has dropped off the radar.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:02
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Pontius Navigator,

Anchor butter is made in Westbury in the UK by the UK subsidiary of a Danish cooperative company owned largely by Danish farmers. We COULD set a lower tariff but then that totally scuppers any negotiations for trade deals with other countries and especially the EU as we would have no leverage whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, whilst I I may be a fervent remainer, I really do hope that I am wrong and you are right, I just fear that you are not.

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I remember however in 1975-76 it was cheaper to buy Anchor in Gibraltar than UK. And Gibraltar is a factor that has dropped off the radar.
Only for the moment. The Spanish haven't forgotten it.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
pr00ne, in a nutshell, thank you.

As we get Anchor butter at competitive prices with the UK and EU butters I guess the tariff is low to negligible. Under WTO I think you are saying 63%.

Of course we could set a lower tariff but then it would apply to all.

I remember however in 1975-76 it was cheaper to buy Anchor in Gibraltar than UK. And Gibraltar is a factor that has dropped off the radar.
If you are going to make comments like this you really need to get your facts correct, as already pointed out. Anchor butter has been produced in the UK for a number of years by Arla, a company which, following the acquisition of Milk Link is now one of the big two dairy companies in the UK.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:18
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P.N.: Anchor butter indeed! My own favourite. Sadly, it is not the Anchor butter from New Zealand that we all knew and grew up on. It was bought out by Arla some years ago and each tub even boasts which farm in Wiltshire, Devon or wherever the milk came from. As for WT rules, pr00ne: WTO tariffs need not be applied by anyone at all. I listened to an official of the WTO explain this recently. Basically, if a country doesn't want to apply tariffs, it doesn't have to.
parapunter: I am glad to see I was not the only one watching feeding time at the zoo (HoC) this afternoon. The behaviour of (mainly) the Tories when Corbyn was speaking was nothing short of shameful and Bercow's put downs of some of the more serious offenders were excellent. And Michael Gove's jumping to the dispatch box with a face full of faux rage was a sight to behold. What pushed his "ire" button? Corbyn had not allowed an intervention by Angela Smith. A Labour MP! Corbyn's put down of Gove was as good as any of Bercow's. I hope the HoC TV is not broadcast live outside of the UK. A bunch of unprincipled, childish bar stewards with only a small of number of members among them who are prepared to behave like responsible adults.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
The mistake is in believing we have any leverage. We have no leverage.
They still want our 39Bn, so we have some leverage surely?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:29
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


They still want our 39Bn, so we have some leverage surely?
They will be getting that regardless of what terms the UK leaves on.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:32
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I hope the HoC TV is not broadcast live outside of the UK. A bunch of unprincipled, childish bar stewards with only a small of number of members among them who are prepared to behave like responsible adults.
I hate to break it to you but leaving aside the possibility of watching the BBC abroad using a VPN I can tell you HoC live it is available real time pretty much world wide on YouTube and when I was in Oz a few weeks back one of their TV channels carried a big chunk of one of the more lively Westminster debates prior to the start of the morning news..

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