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Old 28th Jan 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

The clock can't be turned back and now it doesn't matter if the UK stay's, goes or extends the damage has been done and can't be reversed.
Oh hello, Tesco, you back for another magnum opus?

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It's almost as if you've lost any form of intellectual reasoning for this historic mistake & are forced to rely on a superannuated outcome that represented technical victory & certainly not a decisive one. Hey ho, around we go.
Well.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 14:54
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Nah just popped in to be amused by your postings. I don't bother going back when I come in just look at the last page. Its just repeats of what you have said previously and insults to others.

Miss a few days doing other things and the only thing that's changed is that the day count has been reduced until a default exit. 60 days now.

I am sure the frenzy of project fear will hit overdrive and remains will get more and more agitated about how unfair everything is.

Such is life.

The damage has been done and Stay, go or prolong the agony won't change what's going to happen this summer/autumn.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

the only thing that's changed is that the day count has been reduced until a default exit. 60 days now.
Boom! There it is again! All we need now is wee willy winky weighing in for the trifecta!
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:05
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
you seem very confident in your predictions of what "the rising generations" will vote for?
You are very welcome to join in this conversation that some of us have been conducting for years.
But you might at least follow the basic rule of responding to what has been said, instead of what your fevered brow imagined might have been said.
I made NO prediction. I said they would have the opportunity to change the government. No one knows how they might use it.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:17
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To be honest 1st 2nd and 3rd coming out of this really doesn't bother me.

Its really losers that I worry about. It certainly won't be the UK or for that matter the prime mover members states who are controlling their side of things.

The bottom 3 would be more of interest. Reckon Ireland is going to be shafted the most followed by Spain.

But then again most remains don't seem to give a toss what happens to the other EU states.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:33
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Why is Labour abstaining on the Immigration Bill?

The leader of the opossition has a duty to hold an out of control ERG/DUP alliance to account. Abstaining on an issue which directly affects 5+ million people who were denied a voice, is an act of moral cowardice.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 15:39
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Its because Corybn wants it to go through but doesn't want to be seen to support it.

Corybn is more for a default exit than I am.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:00
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That's a key risk with all this Remainer negativity, it makes an OK situation sound bad and a bad one sound catastrophic. And a lot of people get scared and irrational, there's widespread (media driven) public concern descending into panic and parliament digs its heels in, there's no majority for anything and suddenly you're in GE territory.

Then it's open season, and before you know it PP and Sallyann (and the rest of us) will be living in JC's la la land.

Think very carefully folks....
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:07
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Then it's open season, and before you know it PP and Sallyann (and the rest of us) will be living in JC's la la land.
Yep. No-deal Brexit followed by Corbyn's hand on your wallet. It's what you voted for.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:14
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Unfortunately Sallyann it's remainers attempts to frustrate the democratic mandate that are going to drive us off the cliff....

The lack of acceptance that Brexit is actually going to happen is what has largely got us to the situation we are in now. Amazes me that supposed intellectuals like Yvette Cooper still don't get this. Coming up with lame reasons to delay Brexit, at the 11th hour, just dont help at all.

Personally I'll live with a hard Brexit, but my concern is that remainers and the media will whip up a frenzy and there'll be chaos, which is exactly what JC is hoping for.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:21
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:28
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I think JC being the opposition is why quiet a few will be willing to risk a GE to get an exit.

There will be chaos what ever happens its just how long it lasts for. It could start on 29th or it could be delayed, or it could go on for years if they work a miracle and get ART 50 cancelled. Because you can be assured it won't be the end of it, if it is cancelled or for that matter if they manage to wangle another ref and it goes leaves way.

Eire is pretty much screwed now unfortunately. And the silly sods still don't realise they have being used for the last 18 months.

Default exit and the Eu will not hesitate to tell them to put up hard border controls. if they whinge its will just be tough. Then they will have to make the choice to stay in or not.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:31
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Unfortunately Sallyann it's remainers attempts to frustrate the democratic mandate that are going to drive us off the cliff....

The lack of acceptance that Brexit is actually going to happen is what has largely got us to the situation we are in now. Amazes me that supposed intellectuals like Yvette Cooper still don't get this. Coming up with lame reasons to delay Brexit, at the 11th hour, just dont help at all.

Personally I'll live with a hard Brexit, but my concern is that remainers and the media will whip up a frenzy and there'll be chaos, which is exactly what JC is hoping for.
The blame game is excruciating. Why are you so incapable of putting your name to this?

I asked last week for leavers to inform me of just one multinational business relocating here because of Brexit & no one could answer me. Now this sort of thing, you repeatedly dismiss as project fear and here you are again, bewailing the obvious, clearly foreseeable & happening before our very eyes failure of this as all a remainer plot.

Craven doesn't begin to cover it. I'd always thought the one decent value of the right was personal responsibility, why not show some?
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:33
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Let's see what good Brexit News we have had today:

The British Retail Consortium begging MPs to get their act together as otherwise British Consumers will face empty shelves in supermarkets come this April.

https://brc.org.uk/media/378130/no-d...xit-letter.pdf

They must urgently hire some of our resident Brexit experts from here who can explain the CEO dimwits that trading under WTO rules makes life easier, not more difficult. Our resident experts can also address this apparent aberration:
"Only a round 10% of our food imports, a fraction of the products we sell, is currently subject to tariffs so if the UK were to revert to WTO Most Favoured Nation status, as currently envisaged in the no - deal scenario, it would greatly increase import costs, which could in turn put upward pressure on food prices. The UK could set import tariffs at zero but that would have a devastating impact on our own farmers, a key part of our supply chains."
On a more positive note, as the UK is the most obese country in western Europe, a period of nation-wide starvation is not necessarily a bad thing...

PS: The letter also discusses the idea that an easy solution would be warehousing food that was brought up here earlier today. In short: Not feasible as facilities already maxed out and no more spare capacity.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:45
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This april you mean...

And here we get the flip siding of arguments, at one point people say their won't be enough food/medicine etc..... and then almost in the same breath they say it won't bother the Eu in the slightest 60 million peoples worth of food with a 40% tariff slapped on it.. They will sell it to someone else.

Just like the EU has relaxed its stance on Aviation and a few other issues come April there will be something occur because it has to otherwise they are looking at tons of rotting food to deal with and half the farmers bankrupt.

Once the UK is out the CU then the reality will hit and they will start talking sense. Then the panic will set in as countries start talking about renegotiating trade deals because the UK import market is no longer the Eu's to sell.

Quite what they are going to do with the med countries when the hotels are not filled I really don't know, the EU left that one way way to late.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:14
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Can you please urgently write to Richard Pennycook, Chairman of the Board, British Retail Consortium, 2 London Bridge, London SE1 9RA so that he and his peers better understand that there is nothing to worry about. Or, as we are only 60 days away from Brexit and they are apparently about to panic for no reason, better give him a call: 020-78548900

If only PPRuNe Jet Blasters would volunteer to replace all those whiny-voiced CEOs who clearly have no clue that the flow of milk and honey is only 60 days away.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:20
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
This april you mean...

And here we get the flip siding of arguments, at one point people say their won't be enough food/medicine etc..... and then almost in the same breath they say it won't bother the Eu in the slightest 60 million peoples worth of food with a 40% tariff slapped on it.. They will sell it to someone else.

Just like the EU has relaxed its stance on Aviation and a few other issues come April there will be something occur because it has to otherwise they are looking at tons of rotting food to deal with and half the farmers bankrupt.

Once the UK is out the CU then the reality will hit and they will start talking sense. Then the panic will set in as countries start talking about renegotiating trade deals because the UK import market is no longer the Eu's to sell.

Quite what they are going to do with the med countries when the hotels are not filled I really don't know, the EU left that one way way to late.
This is a variation of David Davis insisting the Germans would be tripping over themselves to sell us BMW's & consequently they'd be beating a path to our door. People laughed then & I'm laughing now. If you must make up flowering Walter Mitty nonsense, try not starting with a touching, but frankly transparently hilarious false concern for the great lettuce growers of Almeria,.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:20
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Let's see what good Brexit News we have had today:

The British Retail Consortium begging MPs to get their act together as otherwise British Consumers will face empty shelves in supermarkets come this April.

https://brc.org.uk/media/378130/no-d...xit-letter.pdf

They must urgently hire some of our resident Brexit experts from here who can explain the CEO dimwits that trading under WTO rules makes life easier, not more difficult. Our resident experts can also address this apparent aberration:


On a more positive note, as the UK is the most obese country in western Europe, a period of nation-wide starvation is not necessarily a bad thing...

PS: The letter also discusses the idea that an easy solution would be warehousing food that was brought up here earlier today. In short: Not feasible as facilities already maxed out and no more spare capacity.
Yep, it was a revelation to read McJunk and fresh in the same sentence.

Don't worry about the farmers however....Gove has assured them he has their interests at heart and the subsidies will continue......at least for a short while before they are, ahem, "reviewed ".

I foresee endless repeats of "The Good Life " as a helpful guide to survival .....

Meanwhile, for incontinent primate, how's the research into my query about the bridge going, only we may be going to Scotland again this year I wouldn't want to travel across a structure that you say is unsafe....now would I ?
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Unfortunately Sallyann it's remainers attempts to frustrate the democratic mandate that are going to drive us off the cliff....
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Nope. The cliff was jumped off in May 2016.
There was never going to be a satisfactory deal, as some of us have said right from the start. Once the Art.50 date was set, it was all over. Neither Brexiters nor Remainers could change it.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:35
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I love the arguments about peoples JIT supplies being thrown into disarray by Brexit.

Have you ever thought about allowing a bit more T in your JIT procedure? After all, I am sure you do not allow the same amount of T for parts manufactured in Asia that need to be shipped to you by sea as you do for parts from a factory next door to you. So if the T in JIT is already designed to cope with different periods then adjust it accordingly to allow for delays at point of entry from the EU, just as you do now for any delays at point of entry from your Asian suppliers.

Just a thought.
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