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Old 27th Jan 2019, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Did it? Have you got next week's lottery numbers as you seem to be in a very rarefied position of both knowing what 17m people wanted AND knowing the path to take. Odd how things are project fear until the exact moment they become reality & then suddenly it's precisely what we voted for.



Nail on the head there old son. Unwittingly, you've described the inherent flaw in this entire sh*tshow. You either preserve an open border & effectively stay in the CU or you erect a barrier & gambol forth into the wide world but you can't do both. You may have noticed Parliament, the Government & every commentator from here to Timbuktu wrestling with the same problem these past two years.

Personally though, everything I see from this appalling administration tells me they're desperate to avoid the destruction of the Tory party & that screams no deal & hang the country.
Well, well, well..


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Old 27th Jan 2019, 21:18
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Interesting character,reading his blog (prune has a bit of a hissy fit if I post the URL) he seems to be something of a cross between JRM and Boris....apparently likes nothing more than a night at the opera and a bit of networking and opinion forming....


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Old 27th Jan 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Well, well, well..
I've known for a while you're not the most articulate contributor, but even I'd hoped for more than one word.


What's your point? And while I'm here, how do you reconcile the sheer nerve of voting to leave & putting up an article that asks 27 countries to bend over backwards to accommodate an insoluble problem you caused?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 22:09
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Parapunter: Off to the cold shower with you! Calm down man! The article posted by weemonkey was a very interesting and very readable one. And the best you can do in terms of a riposte is to declare you are able to identify AND count individual words?
To repeat the words of P.N. "Ball, not the man".
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 05:07
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According to our contributor GQ, as the population is no longer living adjacent to bomb sites, and rationing is no longer in place, the UK doesn't have austerity.

Unfortunately, ......we do. If it weren't for "that date in March ". this issue would be far more prominent ......as it is, like others associated with purely domestic politics, it gets buried beneath the saturation coverage of said date.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ty-study-finds
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 07:01
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Austerity is relative. No one in the UK is forced by virtue of birth to live their whole life drinking and bathing in puddles at the side of the road, subsisting on scraps gleaned from garbage dumps. A few UK citizens choose to live on the streets or have fallen through the support systems available because of mental health issues or alcohol and drug abuse problems. Many claiming abject poverty still manage to afford a large TV with Sky, cigarettes and alcohol in their council supplied homes.

No doubt things could be done better and social services properly funded, but how do you deal with people who won't or can't be bothered to help themselves.

No one who has visited Africa or the Sub Continent can be under any illusions of what real austerity and poverty is all about.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 07:35
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Kelvin, on TIR, I believe it is possible but I think it comes at a cost. I think I read above that you need a shed load of paperwork. All TIR avoids is a border inspection if seals and paperwork are correct.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 07:51
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pr00ne, you said
You add tariffs to each and every arrival and departure plus time to process and you wreck the carefully costed and timed JIT
This is technically accurate but you should have said if. The addition of tariffs applies to imports. Tariffs are barriers usually imposed to protect home industries. A recent example is the US tariffs on steel.

It is illogical to argue that tariffs will wreck JIT. It may affect exports if they are imposed by the EU on imports to the EU but it is their economy that will be affected.

Your phrasing is an example of Project Fear and the use of emotive language is also typical of PF.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:06
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
According to our contributor GQ, as the population is no longer living adjacent to bomb sites, and rationing is no longer in place, the UK doesn't have austerity.

Unfortunately, ......we do. If it weren't for "that date in March ". this issue would be far more prominent ......as it is, like others associated with purely domestic politics, it gets buried beneath the saturation coverage of said date.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ty-study-finds
Austerity hah I'll show you austerity.. try Westminster cuts of 7.8% then SNP pass on extra 5.2% to local authorities for starters..

...the backlash (which btw is never reported on the likes of the total impartial bbc only available on twater etc ) against the SNP. Forget Salmond, think msp publicly lying about SNP gov black hole £13 billion deficit instead rewriting history to day that we subsidise rest of UK!! hospitals that kill due to airborne infections being spread by ventilation systems (see sunday politics for SNP health minister not answering any questions and failing in the "when I blink move on" gig to the interviewer) , big bridge that has no safety structure monitoring system (panto oh yes it has OH NO IT HASNT type moment for the transport minister) and medicines shortages that mean patients don't get any....myself being one of them.. .no doubt the usual remain clique will scream Brexit when it is both the refusal to accept the democratic choice and abject failure to plan for such contingency that has placed the country and its people at such peril .


the only good news is actually bad news, especially if you're an expat permanently living abroad, seems you're going to be taking local driving lessons and test soon....AND YOU CAN LAY THAT FIRMLY AT REMAINER Mays FEET!

remainers= unable to organise a piss up in a brewery.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:13
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That's one interpretation. If there is no agreement & we drop into WTO, tariffs become a serious issue. They may not delay JIT systems per se, although that is debatable, but they seriously risk sinking manufacturing full stop, depending on levels set, disputes created by other countries & so on. More to the point, we as a third country will become subject to non tariff barriers that definitely kill off JIT capabilities. This is widely accepted by commentators & has been shown in several models although, those prone to lobbing the term 'Project fear' around have varying mileage.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:22
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Just a quick reminder that at 23:00 on 29 March, clocks across the UK will be going back ... to 1940.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b4BA5zmGEKg
Be more like late 50s early 60s, Well it was in rural France when I lived there 》cloudnine《
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Austerity hah I'll show you austerity.. try Westminster cuts of 7.8% then SNP pass on extra 5.2% to local authorities for starters..

...the backlash (which btw is never reported on the likes of the total impartial bbc only available on twater etc ) against the SNP. Forget Salmond, think msp publicly lying about SNP gov black hole £13 billion deficit instead rewriting history to day that we subsidise rest of UK!! hospitals that kill due to airborne infections being spread by ventilation systems (see sunday politics for SNP health minister not answering any questions and failing in the "when I blink move on" gig to the interviewer) , big bridge that has no safety structure monitoring system (panto oh yes it has OH NO IT HASNT type moment for the transport minister) and medicines shortages that mean patients don't get any....myself being one of them.. .no doubt the usual remain clique will scream Brexit when it is both the refusal to accept the democratic choice and abject failure to plan for such contingency that has placed the country and its people at such peril .


the only good news is actually bad news, especially if you're an expat permanently living abroad, seems you're going to be taking local driving lessons and test soon....AND YOU CAN LAY THAT FIRMLY AT REMAINER Mays FEET!

remainers= unable to organise a piss up in a brewery.
Well the above makes an interesting diversion from the current minor issue of Brexit. And the lack of funding from central Gov't.....so how about you elaborate on the bridge you mention. As far as I am aware, there's only one been constructed recently, a rather prominent one at that, so this link, according to you, is wrong ?

Scotland's new Queensferry Crossing reveals how smart technologies monitor and maintain the health of bridges

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:23
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
the only good news is actually bad news, especially if you're an expat permanently living abroad, seems you're going to be taking local driving lessons and test soon....AND YOU CAN LAY THAT FIRMLY AT REMAINER Mays FEET!

remainers= unable to organise a piss up in a brewery.
You can SHOUT all you like, but it doesn't make what you say here any more correct than it did/does in the playground.

The only reason that we are in this state now is that the illegally funded Brexit campaign and certain wealthy politicians made promises of sweet exit deals with the EU that were plainly impossible to obtain. The EU were never going to break their founding principles for the benefit of an awkward ex-member. And they haven't.

It's pointless to say that 'remainers' should make the best of it. There is no best to be had. The great majority of the UK's population, who did not vote to leave - especially those who were too young to vote but will be most affected - will just have to live with the consequences.

Blaming May is pointless. She has made many mistakes, but she did turn round to supporting Brexit as Brexiteers wanted. The nice deal was impossible and no one in her position could have done any better. Indeed a more dedicated Brexit PM would probably have walked away sooner. At least she fought on to the bitter end. A very bitter end.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:42
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It's a toughie. Screw the country or screw the Tory party.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:42
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'The only reason that we are in this state now is that the illegally funded Brexit campaign and certain wealthy politicians made promises of sweet exit deals with the EU that were plainly impossible to obtain.'
The ' only' reason? How can you say this when you can't know?

' The great majority of the UK's population, who did not vote to leave - especially those who were too young to vote but will be most affected - will just have to live with the consequences.'
Ok, let's not bother with elections anymore as it disenfranchises toddlers.
I voted remain, partly because I didnt like the company I might be keeping with leave. Reading this thread the same concern could be made about remain. Some will say anything to win the pub argument. Logic and facts need not apply.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:48
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Parapunter, what have you in mind as non tariff delays? Simple delays at customs, extra paperwork etc?

If these persist it would have an immediate impact, mitigated by stock piling before Brexit until the logistics chain is reestablished. Both require extra finance but should soon become the new norm.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
the only good news is actually bad news, especially if you're an expat permanently living abroad, seems you're going to be taking local driving lessons and test soon....AND YOU CAN LAY THAT FIRMLY AT REMAINER Mays FEET!
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Shout as much as you like but that’s Fake news/exaggeration/not a universal truth anyway...

Many of expats have had a “local “ licence for years and they certainly won’t need local lessons/test post just because of Brexit...and FWIW those expats that haven’t exchanged for whatever reason still have time to do so in most countries....

But as someone who has exchanged a U.K. licence for an EU27 one WTF would I know?



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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Shout as much as you like but thatís Fake news/exaggeration/not a universal truth anyway...

Many of expats have had a ďlocal ď licence for years and they certainly wonít need local lessons/test post just because of Brexit...and FWIW those expats that havenít exchanged for whatever reason still have time to do so in most countries....

But as someone who has exchanged a U.K. licence for an EU27 one WTF would I know?



so you are saying that in 60 days 12 hours they WON'T have to carry out local procedures to become licensed?

Or what are you actually blethering on about


Then there is the language issue.. best they get a move on then..



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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:14
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
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​​​​​Ok, let's not bother with elections anymore as it disenfranchises toddlers.
Not the same thing at all. The rising generations will be able to vote to change the government in the next election, and again every five years or less.
Brexit is a once and forever move. If we ever wanted to reapply we will have lost our current concessions. And what would we have to do to persuade every one of the 27 to have us back?
No, it's a very different situation.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
"HAS EXCHANGED"

get it now 》rolleyes《
...but you didn’t use past tense or even present tense did you, you didn’t qualify your statement, you simply stated:

”if you're an expat permanently living abroad, seems you're going to be taking local driving lessons and test soon...”

which for the vast majority of expats is incorrect,..so either you don’t actually understand the driving licence situation or you are engaging in Project Fear, Brexiter style.....which is it?

(rolls eyes in return)
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