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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:25
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..."crack on with your SE English priorities. And you wonder why the north really doesn't care about your whinging about traffic jams in Dover or the house prices crashing in London.
Quiet a few will see it as a bonus of Brexit.​​​​​​"

Incredible! You crack on with your delusional land of taking back control. You may find yourself wondering why London and the SE doesn't care when Nissan, Siemens et al up sticks and turn the NE into a wasteland.

All for nothing.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:38
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:52
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Hmmm ? Nissan...now that will be worth watching given Treeza's unseemly haste to retain their presence in the UK
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:08
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Had we truly gone metric, roads and cars properly metric instead of a 1.5 kg car with 220bhp from a 1.8 l engine that achieves 45 mpg and a top speed of 125 mph then we might have been better engaged.
This had me thinking (and I am sure you meant to say 1,500 Kg). Why do we not use Mg? Or even Mm? MW or GW seem to be OK for large measures of power. It seems to me a little like the US system where road signs warn of things ahead in thousands of feet and the largest of trucks etc are measured in pounds.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:35
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It's a little odd that weather forecasts have temperatures in degrees celsius but windspeeds in miles per hour. But we do seem to be getting there gradually.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:38
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Not to mention altitude in feet and pressure in millibars.

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
Not to mention altitude in feet and pressure in millibars.

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you mean hectopascals shurely!
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's a little odd that weather forecasts have temperatures in degrees celsius but windspeeds in miles per hour. But we do seem to be getting there gradually.
Ah, but, the Met Hoffice website does kindly offer you the option of changing these to your preference on their "settings " box............ Which is nice off them.....this option will probably vanish when we return to Imperial units after March of course.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 13:29
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OK, I'll agree that a hard Brexit is not likely to be in anyones interests, but what's the answer? The UK voted democratically to leave, and that didn't mean leave in name only, it meant leave in entirety.

Admittedly, the reality of that decision comes into sharper focus as the date approaches, especially as their is no workable deal on the table at present. So what are the options:
1. Delay Brexit temporarily
2. Revoke A50 and hold another referendum
3. Agree a deal
4. Hard brexit

Much as parliament would like to go with either #1 or #2 I think they'll accept that delaying or overturning the referendum result simply will not wash. And there's clearly no majority for #4 either. So that leaves a deal, even if only a deal of sorts, as the only workable option.

What I dont understand is how we get to an acceptable solution that both preserves no border and doesnt indefinitely tie us in to something that stops us from making our own trade deals. I'm assuming that's the conundrum our political elite are trying to resolve right now....
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 13:52
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I listened to Isabell Oakshott the other night when she said that stopping Freedom of Movement was a leaver's red line. I wonder why that should be a major objection when EU movement is fairly static but it is non -EU immigration that is a problem.

Is it that non-EU immigrants in EU acquire FOM status? Is it a worry that Balkan migration will increase? Or that Turkey, should it join the EU could come here?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
OK, I'll agree that a hard Brexit is not likely to be in anyones interests, but what's the answer? The UK voted democratically to leave, and that didn't mean leave in name only, it meant leave in entirety..
Did it? Have you got next week's lottery numbers as you seem to be in a very rarefied position of both knowing what 17m people wanted AND knowing the path to take. Odd how things are project fear until the exact moment they become reality & then suddenly it's precisely what we voted for.

Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
What I dont understand is how we get to an acceptable solution that both preserves no border and doesnt indefinitely tie us in to something that stops us from making our own trade deals. I'm assuming that's the conundrum our political elite are trying to resolve right now....
Nail on the head there old son. Unwittingly, you've described the inherent flaw in this entire sh*tshow. You either preserve an open border & effectively stay in the CU or you erect a barrier & gambol forth into the wide world but you can't do both. You may have noticed Parliament, the Government & every commentator from here to Timbuktu wrestling with the same problem these past two years.

Personally though, everything I see from this appalling administration tells me they're desperate to avoid the destruction of the Tory party & that screams no deal & hang the country.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I listened to Isabell Oakshott the other night when she said that stopping Freedom of Movement was a leaver's red line. I wonder why that should be a major objection when EU movement is fairly static but it is non -EU immigration that is a problem.

Is it that non-EU immigrants in EU acquire FOM status? Is it a worry that Balkan migration will increase? Or that Turkey, should it join the EU could come here?
But that has ALWAYS been the problem. Non-EU immigration will not be affected by Brexit. (or should I say, should not, since the immigration staff will now have to keep out EU immigrants as well they are going to be overworked and will probably let in more non-EU immigrants than before). Another Brexit Bonus.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:39
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
OK, I'll agree that a hard Brexit is not likely to be in anyones interests
Oh Yes It Is.

(1) The people running the #brexit campaign. For them the red line is not becoming subject to the incoming EU tax evasion law.

(2) Corbyn. For him the red line is getting rid of outgoing freedom of movement so that he can introduce his Trot socialist workers' paradise.

(3) May probably DGAS what sort of #brexit it is so long as she keeps her job (though why she wanted it in the first place is beyond me). But as none of the #brexshtters are talking about any sort of soft #brexit (where "soft" is defined as "retaining our freedom of movement") then a hard #brexit is in her interests too.

Who else matters? - not the other 65.999 million of us, because we're not allowed a say, because that would be "undemocratic".
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:43
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Personally though, everything I see from this appalling administration tells me they're desperate to avoid the destruction of the Tory party & that screams no deal & hang the country.
That's incredible! We agree on something!
As for the border issue, perhaps I am being a bit naive here but would it not be possible to have lorries departing Ireland for destinations other than the UK sail under TIR seal? The UK government claims to have technology to do this, that and the other automatically. In which case it would be possible for a TIR sealed lorry leaving Dublin to have the seal checked automatically and woe betide anyone who turns up at Dover with the seal broken.
Of course, things aren't helped at all by the chief Irish plonker saying troops will be mustered along the border. What border, Mr Varadkar? I thought you had fixed that umpteen times by repeating "there will be no border".
Incidentally, my less than polite description of Varadkar as a 'plonker' was found to be shared fairly widely on a recent visit to Ireland with most saying he is only in it for an eventual highly paid position in the EU when his time in the Dail is up.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Non-EU immigration will not be affected by Brexit.
Oh Yes It Will. If it's no longer easier to give jobs to EU workers than to those from further afield, companies will give more jobs to brown and black and Muslim people, and fewer to white Europeans, so non-EU immigration will increase. And of course some of these people will be willing to work for less than Europeans, thus driving wages down.

(I'm not saying that any of this is de facto a bad thing, just claiming that you're wrong that it won't make a difference.)
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Did it? Have you got next week's lottery numbers as you seem to be in a very rarefied position of both knowing what 17m people wanted AND knowing the path to take. Odd how things are project fear until the exact moment they become reality & then suddenly it's precisely what we voted for.



Nail on the head there old son. Unwittingly, you've described the inherent flaw in this entire sh*tshow. You either preserve an open border & effectively stay in the CU or you erect a barrier & gambol forth into the wide world but you can't do both. You may have noticed Parliament, the Government & every commentator from here to Timbuktu wrestling with the same problem these past two years.

Personally though, everything I see from this appalling administration tells me they're desperate to avoid the destruction of the Tory party & that screams no deal & hang the country.
They are very much between the rock and hard place.
Whether due to incompetence or reality that is where they have taken this country.

I really cannot see a 'no deal' exit happening. There seems to be consensus on that.
That just leaves no Brexit which again I cannot see happening or extending the leave date.
That in itself solves nothing.

However, it must be possible to try and get a solution within the framework of the Future Trade Arrangement.
Especially as the EU have categorically maintained no change to the Withdrawal Bill.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Oh Yes It Will. If it's no longer easier to give jobs to EU workers than to those from further afield, companies will give more jobs to brown and black and Muslim people, and fewer to white Europeans, so non-EU immigration will increase. And of course some of these people will be willing to work for less than Europeans, thus driving wages down.

(I'm not saying that any of this is de facto a bad thing, just claiming that you're wrong that it won't make a difference.)
The Government has just launched it's much trailed new immigration policy. A bit light on detail, but intent being its cuts down (dramatically) on numbers of unskilled economic migrants, regardless of country of origin. They do need to get it right, or else the last two years will have been completely pointless!

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 15:57
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
That's incredible! We agree on something!
As for the border issue, perhaps I am being a bit naive here but would it not be possible to have lorries departing Ireland for destinations other than the UK sail under TIR seal? The UK government claims to have technology to do this, that and the other automatically. In which case it would be possible for a TIR sealed lorry leaving Dublin to have the seal checked automatically and woe betide anyone who turns up at Dover with the seal broken.
Of course, things aren't helped at all by the chief Irish plonker saying troops will be mustered along the border. What border, Mr Varadkar? I thought you had fixed that umpteen times by repeating "there will be no border".
Incidentally, my less than polite description of Varadkar as a 'plonker' was found to be shared fairly widely on a recent visit to Ireland with most saying he is only in it for an eventual highly paid position in the EU when his time in the Dail is up.
Varadker & May can talk about no border all they want, if we leave without agreement, we become a third country & Ireland is obliged to maintain a border by Irish law, EU law, & EU law written into Irish law. If they don't there will be a court case which they will lose.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
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The nautical mile went metric. Building materials went metric with 4x8 becoming 1.2x2.4 etc. Just had some posts installed 1.8 posts in a 2 ft hole and 6 inches higher than the fence which was 3.6 m. The chap doing it was about 45.

Had we truly gone metric, roads and cars properly metric instead of a 1.5 kg car with 220bhp from a 1.8 l engine that achieves 45 mpg and a top speed of 125 mph then we might have been better engaged.
In Germany all plumbing is still imperial, except they call it Zoll. 1 Zoll = 25.4mm = 1 Inch.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 16:43
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Originally Posted by k3k3 View Post
In Germany all plumbing is still imperial, except they call it Zoll. 1 Zoll = 25.4mm = 1 Inch.
BSP (British Standard Pipe) is the European standard for domestic threaded connections along with their numbers and fractions. In the UK they just happen to be the inside diameter in inches.

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