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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:32
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Aerospace is a long term business, and we could be forced to redirect future investment
Mild understatement, and a clear signal from Airbus.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post


And this underlines the main problem with Brexit and the referendum. A large minority of the the electorate are only peripherally interested in politics. I see it every day. One woman I know, in her mid sixties, a stalwart of the local WI and a Tory activist in the days of Thatcher happily posts Britain First stuff on Facebook. If you talk to her she is utterly reasonable but if you try to discuss anything in depth she will divert the conversation to Come Dancing or East Enders. In short she is woefully un/mis informed. On these sort of people we relied upon to make a decision of great importance. She can bake a lovely cake but quite honestly couldn't think her way out of a paper bag.

The BBC Website (and also BBC Breakfast) this morning is running a piece on "Brexit Jargon Busting". What struck me was just how many of the bits of "jargon" that they are "busting" I completely understand; I suspect most here also understand them.

That, given the extensive, some would say exhaustive, coverage there has been on the Brexit negotiations over the last couple of years, it is amazing that some of these are still not understood by enough people to make these sorts of features necessary. And, we expect, or at least some expect the public to have another vote on the EU deal, remain or whatever else!

Perhaps Cameron should have done some research into the public's engagement and knowledge of the EU before calling the first one. Though I am a committed remainer, I seriously question if the electorate is even now really qualified to give an informed opinion in a future referendum and I could see remain losing one, as much through ignorance and apathy as anything else.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:38
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Never mind Brexit. There is now a new distraction, Alex Salmond has been arrested.
Oo err Missus!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46984747
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:47
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Ignorance isnít confined to the masses. This is a tweet from David Campbell Bannerman, Tory MEP and ex UKIP deputy leader in response to the Airbus communication:

Expect super Project Fear today from @Airbus. Here we have a German CEO putting EU interests first before his own employees. A disgrace. As with Galileo UK should make plans to take over these plants and sell into the global marketplace with our own planes
Looking forward to the rollout of the first British airliner in decades that will knock those cocky Europeans off the Airbus perch!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Never mind Brexit. There is now a new distraction, Alex Salmond has been arrested.
Oo err Missus!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46984747
Kinda wondering how this will go.No doubt it will be MI5 or Westminster or "whatever" for the cultists.

Another dagger in the heart for the "nationalists"..?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Never mind Brexit. There is now a new distraction, Alex Salmond has been arrested.
Oo err Missus!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46984747
Pah ! as distractions go that's nothing....wait until tomorrow when Utd play Arsenal......that's what you call a real distraction for the nation ! ...and Spurs playing Palace of course.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Ignorance isnít confined to the masses. This is a tweet from David Campbell Bannerman, Tory MEP and ex UKIP deputy leader in response to the Airbus communication:



Looking forward to the rollout of the first British airliner in decades that will knock those cocky Europeans off the Airbus perch!
I could supply you with endless examples of MP's displaying their ignorance in public, from Nadine Dorries' leaked Whatsapp messages asking what a customs union is to Esther McVey on live TV insisting that we can have a transition period if we crash out with no deal and many more besides... Usually Marcus Fysh now I think about it.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Ignorance isnít confined to the masses. This is a tweet from David Campbell Bannerman, Tory MEP and ex UKIP deputy leader in response to the Airbus communication:



Looking forward to the rollout of the first British airliner in decades that will knock those cocky Europeans off the Airbus perch!
It really doesn't matter to pompous establishment twits like him and JR-M (wasn't Campbell Bannerman the PM back in the early 20th century) how many real jobs are lost, and how many real people and their families get chucked on the scrap heap, so long as they get their prize - which if they only voted for Mrs May's agreement, they would.

JR-M really showed his true colours yesterday when he apparently proposed that parliament be closed to avoid MPs delaying, let alone obstructing Brexit. Who does he think he is? Putin, Erdogan, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung Un?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:09
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The back room boys in the Labour party have woken up to something and they are busy getting on with it. This is why Corbyn no longer no longer mentions another referendum nor an election, both of which could go in a way he wouldn't like.
All that Labour have to do is to ensure that Article 50 is delayed and delayed again, preferably until some time towards the end of this year. By then there will only be two years until the next general election has to be held. The Conservative record will stand at four years of totally unproductive government. Whoever leads the Tories by 2020/2021 will be able to point to nothing in the way of achievements.
Labour will storm into power with a sufficient majority to be able to do whatever in wants in spite of, dread the thought, the Lib Dems hopping back into bed with the Tories and even the SDLP supporting them.
That's the long term Labour plan, dreamed up by such mental masters as Seamus Milne.
You heard it here first.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
The back room boys in the Labour party have woken up to something and they are busy getting on with it. This is why Corbyn no longer no longer mentions another referendum nor an election, both of which could go in a way he wouldn't like.
All that Labour have to do is to ensure that Article 50 is delayed and delayed again, preferably until some time towards the end of this year. By then there will only be two years until the next general election has to be held. The Conservative record will stand at four years of totally unproductive government. Whoever leads the Tories by 2020/2021 will be able to point to nothing in the way of achievements.
Labour will storm into power with a sufficient majority to be able to do whatever in wants in spite of, dread the thought, the Lib Dems hopping back into bed with the Tories and even the SDLP supporting them.
That's the long term Labour plan, dreamed up by such mental masters as Seamus Milne.
You heard it here first.
Obviously pure conjecture on your part, but if I were Corbyn I'd say it was a pretty good plan if my sole goal was taking power. However he'd have as good a chance of winning an election, and take power earlier if he allowed a no deal crash out on 29th March, call a vote of no confidence a month later, which at that stage enough Tories with little to lose would support, and then get elected a couple of years earlier.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:33
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It doesn't need a delay to Art.50 to bring this about.
The government's mishandling of the exit, and their inevitable chaos and mishandling after Brexit, will have the same result.
Labour will take power. Not because they win the election but because the Tories lose it.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Ignorance isnít confined to the masses. This is a tweet from David Campbell Bannerman, Tory MEP and ex UKIP deputy leader in response to the Airbus communication:



Looking forward to the rollout of the first British airliner in decades that will knock those cocky Europeans off the Airbus perch!
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Even if we had the intent which we clearly do not I seriously doubt we have anything like the knowledge and capabilities to design develop and produce such an aircraft.

One of the key skills would be systems integration which we do have for the wing systems but not for a complete aircraft.

On that basis we should take notice of what Airbus are saying.
But...will we?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 10:03
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
ongoingfrom your Dyson spat, it appears you are (again) promulgating the fakest of fake news..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46962093
Can you drop Mr. Dyson a line and suggest he sues his lawyers and business consultants for malpractice? Apparently re-registering corporate headquarters in Singapore is pointless and has nothing to do with taxes the whole thing is only about moving two employees from the UK to Singapore. Mr. Dyson clearly has been taken for a ride and as a true patriot, he will reverse course immediately after you have warned him and keep coporate headquarters in the UK.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 10:31
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To all you ardent Brexiteers and your MPs, please take note of how the current muddle could prove disastrous for the UK aviation industry.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46984229
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
The back room boys in the Labour party have woken up to something and they are busy getting on with it. This is why Corbyn no longer no longer mentions another referendum nor an election, both of which could go in a way he wouldn't like.
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Labour will storm into power with a sufficient majority to be able to do whatever in wants in spite of, dread the thought, the Lib Dems hopping back into bed with the Tories and even the SDLP supporting them.
That's the long term Labour plan, dreamed up by such mental masters as Seamus Milne.
You heard it here first.
And for the nay sayers, nowhere did you suggest a Corbyn victory! For an election this year Corbyn might win and they may not want that; he is an old man now.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:07
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Corbyn was never going to serve a full term because he is too old to go for a second. The successor to Corbyn is already in waiting although I am not in a position to reveal his name.
There is no point for Labour of winning unless they can command a big majority. They've been playing a long game for years and would rather sit in opposition than win with a small margin. They totally must be able to ram anything they want through the combined opposition of all the other parties for it to be worthwhile winning an election and thus setting up a Marxist dynasty to last longer than a decade. By the time Labour gets to the end of their second term, as the Marxists and Momentum see the future, there won't be a democratic two or three party system in Britain. There will only be a hard left socialist ruler cabal and that can only be achieved outside of the EU, which is why Corbyn, prevaricating as always, has refused to commit Labour to anything at all.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:30
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As far as Dysons is concerned, whatever the reason behind the move is, it has tunred into a PR desaster. Now the main story in the Daily Mail that is stopping short of calling Mr. Dyson a traitor....

Why is Sir James Dyson deserting Britain? With a mind boggling £9.5billion fortune and fabulous multi-million pound homes, until yesterday not a penny he made was begrudged... but then he bailed on his nation

Brexiteer Sir James transferring Dyson HQ from Britain to tax haven Singapore * He should be walking advertisement for independent Britain's ability to prospe
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:33
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The new moral vacuum from Dyson. Full range on display at your local council recycling centre.

CC, any chance you could read my bedtime story tonight? I've done all the Harry Potters & I'm desperate for a bit more fantasy.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:34
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As far as Dysons is concerned, whatever the reason behind the move is, it has tunred into a PR desaster. Now the main story in the Daily Mail that is stopping short of calling Mr. Dyson a traitor....
Probably worried about the forthcoming socialist utopia
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 11:36
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which is why Corbyn, prevaricating as always, has been refused ​​​​​​permission to commit Labour to anything at all.
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