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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 05:56
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Well Dyson is hardly going to put Brexit in his list of reasons for moving is he?
The move was well covered by the BBC overnight by one of their business programmes.

Dyson is moving two, yes two, medium level executive posts to Singapore because it is the region where they are experiencing the major growth in their market and they want to keep their finger on the market and regional trends. Production was moved to Malaysia long before the Brexit referendum.

You will I’ll remember that Dyson has been a Brexit supporter because he has long seen the expanding world market as the future UK market place where we should be doing deals, rather than the moribund European sector. So it’s not hypocrisy, rather the diametric opposite - whether you disagree with his vision or not, or support Brexit or not.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 06:07
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First, for those of a sensitive disposition, three Cautions.
1 Contains images of K G-M
2 Mention is made of Wales
3 It's C4 News and contains factual commentary.

However, for those who can, and do, have the pragmatism to view the link, it's yet another sobering warning as to just how damaging our impending exit will be. It's when those affected are able to voice their concerns as to their livelihood that the oft repeated mantra of "project fear ! " is shown to be just a convenient fallacy sound bite,

There is some good news however. Mona can now replace Manston as a truck stop and lorry park !.....Valley being just a shade busy ( apart from at weekends )

https://www.channel4.com/news/what-i...al-brexit-have
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 06:31
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https://www.politico.eu/article/danu...rexit-delayed/

UK must hold EU elections if Brexit is delayed, says senior MEP

The U.K. has a “duty” to hold a European Parliament election if Brexit is delayed beyond the poll in May, according to Polish MEP Danuta Hübner, who is a member of the Parliament's Brexit Steering Group. Speaking before members of the influential Constitutional Affairs Committee, Hübner said an EU country is responsible for "ensuring that citizens have their representatives in the European Parliament."

The senior MEP said the U.K. would face a legal challenge in the European Court of Justice if it denied its citizens representation in the European Parliament while still a member of the EU. Any refusal from the U.K. to hold an election would also mean a "breach of EU treaties and EU electoral law," and "can be brought to court," she said, "but let's hope that this situation will not happen.".......

Guy Verhofstadt, the Parliament's Brexit coordinator, told MEPs on the committee that any extension of Article 50 "is not easy" and would "make things more difficult.".......

The Liberal MEP said the EU is also considering having "permanent contingency" measures for U.K. citizens in the EU and European citizens living in the U.K. to ensure that their rights in the Withdrawal Agreement are preserved in case of a no-deal.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 06:55
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
First, for those of a sensitive disposition, three Cautions.
1 Contains images of K G-M
2 Mention is made of Wales
3 It's C4 News and contains factual commentary.

However, for those who can, and do, have the pragmatism to view the link, it's yet another sobering warning as to just how damaging our impending exit will be. It's when those affected are able to voice their concerns as to their livelihood that the oft repeated mantra of "project fear ! " is shown to be just a convenient fallacy sound bite,

There is some good news however. Mona can now replace Manston as a truck stop and lorry park !.....Valley being just a shade busy ( apart from at weekends )

https://www.channel4.com/news/what-i...al-brexit-have
Enlightening and interesting, just to note though that the whole video was peppered with the usual caveats consisting of the following:
if, could, likely, perhaps, potential, in the event off … and our/my opinion.

I had also followed the link that was broadcasted on the radio to the following sites:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-deal-scenario

Only skimmed through one or two links out of interest to see what is available.

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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:11
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Several posting back one of our more illustrious Brexit leaning posters asserted that holiday bookings for Summer 2019 had crashed and that the Spanish would be crying in the sangria at the loss of business.

Today ABTA has come up with stats that show booking for Summer 2019 are overall up 5% for summer 2019, albeit with booking to places like Tunisia and Egypt up 17%, albeit from a much lower base. So it would appear that the Spanish costas will avoid a sudden slump, and still have to endure British low life for another season!

A case of FACT against fake news. I wonder how many more of this poster's assertions will turn out to be similarly false?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Ah, I think that by "never happened" you mean "hasn't happened next".

Which will be, as leavers are so fond of saying, because we haven't left yet.
No Gertie, the prediction was after the vote back in 2016. Only when that FEAR fact failed did YET enter the debate.

I admit to being a YETTI as soon as it became clear that when it became clear that OUT was really YET. I will remain a Yetti until such time as we are OUT and 'facts ' become real.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:21
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Let's see what we have today:

For starters, people suffering from diabetes are apparently starting to panick and have begun stockpiling insulin as more than half of the UK's supply is imported from Denmark. As one patient nicely put it on TV: "They said we would get back control. All we really got is chaos."


Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The move was well covered by the BBC overnight by one of their business programmes.

Dyson is moving two, yes two, medium level executive posts to Singapore because it is the region where they are experiencing the major growth in their market and they want to keep their finger on the market and regional trends. Production was moved to Malaysia long before the Brexit referendum.

You will I’ll remember that Dyson has been a Brexit supporter because he has long seen the expanding world market as the future UK market place where we should be doing deals, rather than the moribund European sector. So it’s not hypocrisy, rather the diametric opposite - whether you disagree with his vision or not, or support Brexit or not.
So Dyson being an UK patriot and a Brexiteer, why would he move his corporate headquarters to Singapore if it only involves two executives? As an UK patriot, he could have manufacturing plants and development labs down there without moving corporate headquarters....

And how nice of him to moan in the past that the EU is costing UK businesses [put figure here] bn EUR annually. Would he care to enlighten us how much it costs his home country when UK companies like Dysons register and pay taxes elsewhere?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Heard on the BBC news this afternoon: Irish PM acknowledged that UK and Eire may have to develop a bilateral agreement
The problem is that they can't. The EU Commission is 100% correct. The UK / Eire border will be the external land border with the EU and if we leave on 29th March 2019 with no deal that border will be the external border with the EU and will be a hard border, at least for customs purposes such as health and clearance, duties and taxes. If it's OK for the UK to make some sort of local agreement with Ireland, then perhaps the UK could do likewise with France, and Poland with Ukraine. Mr. Varadka is right to be very concerned, but as a member of the EU customs controls and the border are out of his control.

Perhaps, supposing they are in listening mode, the DUP might want to take a breath and think of the consequences of persisting in their current stance on the May / EU deal. It's not a good deal, but it is the only way in which for the foreseeable future they can guarantee maintaining the open border they want, whilst maintaining the union with UK which is the reason for their existence.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:24
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Tut tut stockpiling supplies of insulin, no doubt May wont have that issue to worry about....
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:25
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Several posting back one of our more illustrious Brexit leaning posters asserted that holiday bookings for Summer 2019 had crashed and that the Spanish would be crying in the sangria at the loss of business.

Today ABTA has come up with stats that show booking for Summer 2019 are overall up 5% for summer 2019, albeit with booking to places like Tunisia and Egypt up 17%, albeit from a much lower base. So it would appear that the Spanish costas will avoid a sudden slump, and still have to endure British low life for another season!

A case of FACT against fake news. I wonder how many more of this poster's assertions will turn out to be similarly false?
link or guess what.....
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:48
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
link or guess what.....
Fair comment. Unfortunately the figures were quoted by an ABTA representative on BBC Breakfast in an interview at about 07:50 this morning. Probably available on the good old I-player but I don't believe I can post a link to an entire BBC programme.

Checked the BBC business pages and unusually they haven't put it up an a story - it's probably somewhere in their Business Live ticker but linking that is fairly pointless. Also checked the ABTA website and couldn't see a press release. Could be the interviewee was talking out of her backside but doubt she'd have been put up by ABTA to do that. If / when something linkable gets put up before I go out today I'll post it.

Personally I'm surprised at the numbers; I'm not booking anything to the EU, with anyone, beyond March just in case.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:01
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Those defending Dyson this morning also intersect with those who have, as a direct response to me, stated this whole thing is not about trade. A reasonable man would arguably see that as rank hypocrisy.

So, which of you Brexiteers would care to step out of your revolving door of suitable arguments as to why Brexit is a good idea, depending on which particular piece of bad news you are dismissing & help me to become more informed by telling me which multinational or multinationals is moving it's HQ/manufacturing/R&D/anything at all to the UK in the next twelve months?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:04
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Fair comment. Unfortunately the figures were quoted by an ABTA representative on BBC Breakfast in an interview at about 07:50 this morning. Probably available on the good old I-player but I don't believe I can post a link to an entire BBC programme.
Heard the same interview, so it must be true.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
Heard the same interview, so it must be true.
Still might not be true, but at least you've cross referenced it! Thanks for that
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Those defending Dyson this morning also intersect with those who have, as a direct response to me, stated this whole thing is not about trade. A reasonable man would arguably see that as rank hypocrisy.

So, which of you Brexiteers would care to step out of your revolving door of suitable arguments as to why Brexit is a good idea, depending on which particular piece of bad news you are dismissing & help me to become more informed by telling me which multinational or multinationals is moving it's HQ/manufacturing/R&D/anything at all to the UK in the next twelve months?
It seems that prominent Brexiteers are setting a good example for others to follow. Dyson with his tax in Singapore, Mogg with his financial business in Dublin. Such confidence in their dear old UK.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:41
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It seems that prominent Brexiteers are setting a good example for others to follow. Dyson with his tax in Singapore, Mogg with his financial business in Dublin. Such confidence in their dear old UK.

Aye Sallyanne aye. You remainiacs keep chipping away, but the majority know exactly where WE stand.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:46
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Fair comment. Unfortunately the figures were quoted by an ABTA representative on BBC Breakfast in an interview at about 07:50 this morning. Probably available on the good old I-player but I don't believe I can post a link to an entire BBC programme.

Checked the BBC business pages and unusually they haven't put it up an a story - it's probably somewhere in their Business Live ticker but linking that is fairly pointless. Also checked the ABTA website and couldn't see a press release. Could be the interviewee was talking out of her backside but doubt she'd have been put up by ABTA to do that. If / when something linkable gets put up before I go out today I'll post it.

Personally I'm surprised at the numbers; I'm not booking anything to the EU, with anyone, beyond March just in case.

... the figures were quoted by an ABTA representative on BBC Breakfast in an interview....


So ask yourself why the BBC has to promote themselves as bastions of the truth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342

if you can, please watch the briefing @6am bbc1 and get back on how you see their "impartially" and "truth"...
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 08:56
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Big fan of posters so inarticulate the only way they can make a point is by posting unattributable images that could be from anywhere with Juncker atop them, having already demanded others provide proof for their assertions.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by weemonkey;10368
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Aye Sallyanne aye. You remainiacs keep chipping away, but the majority know exactly where WE stand.
Do try to keep up, dear.

You showed scenes apparently from the EU, which we are leaving. So there is every reason for the big investors to stay at home and pay their taxes here to support their country that is taking back control. I wonder why?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 09:02
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
... the figures were quoted by an ABTA representative on BBC Breakfast in an interview....


So ask yourself why the BBC has to promote themselves as bastions of the truth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342

if you can, please watch the briefing @6am bbc1 and get back on how you see their "impartially" and "truth"...
Look, the BBC is impartial. If it wasn't both the main parties wouldn't be pretty constantly complaining that the BBC was biased. News bias is in the eye of the beholder, and for whatever reason groups such as climate change deniers and Brexiteers who simple don't like to read or hear the truth seem to want to tar the messenger as biased.

Of course with some of the unfounded, and often patently wrong assertions that some high profile Brexiteers make it's hardly surprising that when found out they tend to cry "foul" in a desperate effort to defend the indefensible. They appear to operate on the basis that if you make the same (false) assertions often enough people will believe it. The job of a good news organisation is to debunk that kind of stuff, and with their "Reality Check" team the BBC does a pretty good job of that. If that makes some groups uncomfortable, then fair enough.
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