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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 17:30
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It seems that Eire has just realised that if the UK exits the EU without a deal, then they will be responsible for imposing a hard border with Northern Ireland. The UK needs to do nothing because of the Good Friday Agreement. In theory Eire needs to do nothing as freedom of movement is also guaranteed by the Good Friday Agreement and other historical arrangements. However, EU laws and regulations will demand that Eire makes arrangements to control cross border traffic with a third nation, as the UK will become. So Eire will be responsible for imposing border controls against its' will and historical precedent. Panic is setting in.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 17:30
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Did the Irish just blink?

Heard on the BBC news this afternoon: Irish PM acknowledged that UK and Eire may have to develop a bilateral agreement
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 18:14
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
It seems that Eire has just realised that if the UK exits the EU without a deal, then they will be responsible for imposing a hard border with Northern Ireland. The UK needs to do nothing because of the Good Friday Agreement. In theory Eire needs to do nothing as freedom of movement is also guaranteed by the Good Friday Agreement and other historical arrangements. However, EU laws and regulations will demand that Eire makes arrangements to control cross border traffic with a third nation, as the UK will become. So Eire will be responsible for imposing border controls against its' will and historical precedent. Panic is setting in.
You wish. I'd love to see what you'd come up with had Eire voted to leave & insisted we didn't put up a border.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 18:56
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I posted a copy of something that was posted to me on a public site. Thank you to those who are now making an issue of it. Doh!

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 19:17
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Originally Posted by BAengineer View Post
Why should Scottish independence or Irish reunification have any bearing on Brexit whatsoever?
Oooh, tricky one that, I wonder if I can work it out, let me think ...

I know! - it couldn't possibly be because they want to remain in the EU, and that if England leaves the EU they'll have to leave England? Could that be it? Perhaps?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 19:42
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The history books will record that 2016 was the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 19:47
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The history books will record that 2016 was the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom.
Ye gods, twice I have agreed with you in a short time! Actually I really think that is the case, but it has been building up for decades, finally something had to give way, and once a leak is sprung others start popping up with no way of sealing them. Whatever the outcome of Brexit the country has been split irrevocably - it may well mean fundamental changes in the political system if stability is to be maintained yet i can't see the buggers giving up anything unless under extreme force. All the dirty washing is being exposed and sentiments articulated... not yet violently though. Austerity accelerated this I have no doubt.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Oooh, tricky one that, I wonder if I can work it out, let me think ...

I know! - it couldn't possibly be because they want to remain in the EU, and that if England leaves the EU they'll have to leave England? Could that be it? Perhaps?
But Scotland could leave the UK at any time - whether we are in the EU or not is totally irrelevant. 40% of Scots voted to leave several years before we even had a referendum, so why doea it matter ar all.

You are to look a bit daft if you decide to remain in the EU on the basis that the Scots might leave, and then they decided to leave anyway.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:27
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Tick, tock...

66 days and counting...
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
You wish. I'd love to see what you'd come up with had Eire voted to leave & insisted we didn't put up a border.
Funnily enough the IAC LJ45 is plotting right now - on it's merry way back from BRU
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
The thought of another referendum just fills me with dread.
Firstly I think Leave will probably edge it again and so any hope of avoiding a catastrophic departure will be all but gone.
Secondly, weeks and weeks of the same arguments, name calling, the hamster wheel will be like catherine wheel it'll be going so fast.
The same bunch of wasters (parliament) will be present and the accusation will be "keep having a vote until you get the right answer" .
Referendums were great when the leaders got the answer they wanted - Join the EU, YES - TICK, Change the voting system, NO - TICK, Scottish Independence, NO - TICK, Leave the EU, YES - Oh.........
What if it goes wrong again?
And I think if truth be told, you're in the sensible majority on this topic. Most British people are sick and tired of (1) Brexit, (2) Referenda and (3) the wasters that you refer to that masquerade as political leaders
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:39
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Most British people are sick and tired of (1) Brexit
The quickest way to stop it being an issue is #RevokeA50 - that'll take minutes.

The second quickest way to stop it being an issue is #PeoplesVote with a remain result - that'll take months.

Any other approach will give people decades of continuing to be sick and tired of it as the trade negotiations drag their tedious way to inevitable defeat.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
The quickest way to stop it being an issue is #RevokeA50 - that'll take minutes.

The second quickest way to stop it being an issue is #PeoplesVote with a remain result - that'll take months.

Any other approach will give people decades of continuing to be sick and tired of it as the trade negotiations drag their tedious way to inevitable defeat.
Wrong on both counts unfortunately Gertrude. Both your options just prolong the uncertainty and agony. Trade discussions can, and will, take place in the background and are unlikely to distract the the average Jo(e).

Nice try though (even got the hash tag in!)
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 21:09
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Wrong on both counts unfortunately Gertrude. Both your options just prolong the uncertainty and agony. Trade discussions can, and will, take place in the background and are unlikely to distract the the average Jo(e).
True facts don't become untrue just because you assert that they are. But then that's been leavers all the way through, hasn't it.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:13
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Actually, I don'y really think it's fair to hurl vilifications at the poor old leavers any more than it would be right to vilify the idiotically abusive remainers. There haven't really been any facts to substantiate either point of argument yet. The only thing one can say with a degree of certainty is that the country's collapse, that was so vehemently forecast by the marvellously perceptive remainers in the event of an exit vote, never happened.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:25
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The only thing one can say with a degree of certainty is that the country's collapse, that was so vehemently forecast by the marvellously perceptive remainers in the event of an exit vote, never happened.
Ah, I think that by "never happened" you mean "hasn't happened next".

Which will be, as leavers are so fond of saying, because we haven't left yet.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:27
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Facts of the future then?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 22:47
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So let's see what we had today:

- Sony moving its HQ to Amsterdam
- Dysons moving its HQ to Singapore
- P&O moving the flag of its ships to Cyprus
- Bentley describing Brexit as a killer for its profitability

Waiting for tomorrow's news now.

If there has ever been a self-destructiion button pushed, this is it....
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 23:19
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Dyson has had its HQ in Singapore for some time. All that has happened is that the company executives are going to move there. I know no-one who has been to Singapore who would rather live in the UK than there. As Dyson, who owns 100% of the company said, it's got noting to do with Brexit, it's future proofing the company.
The answer to that lies in Britain's presently punitive tax system and the economic chaos that is a certainly for business under a Labour/Marxist government.
Those are facts. The one line header that Dyson is moving to Singapore is nothing but another Remainer scare tactic and busted accordingly.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 04:16
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it's future proofing the company.
The answer to that lies in Britain's presently punitive tax system and the economic chaos that is a certainly for business under a Labour/Marxist government
Well Dyson is hardly going to put Brexit in his list of reasons for moving is he? The fact that he is moving his HQ to Singapore is hardly a vote of confidence in a U.K.that is currently being run by a Tory Administration, or a sign that he is convinced Brexit is going to be a roaring success - if it was he would keep the HQ in the U.K...wouldn’t he?

Looks like, ironically, Dyson, or at least the company, is turning into one of those “citizens of nowhere” that TM doesn’t really approve of....

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